What World War III May Look Like

[mawilson 2,133]

So basically the article is saying that Iran and its allies are so friggin' powerful that they

will single-handedly bring the U.S. to its knees.

Sorry but I just don't see it happening.

The whole "Iran strikes back" part is bogus.

[Don_Joy's Prince 0]

I think the reaction had less to do with the content than the poster. Is the notion that a war with Iran would be bad thing such an extreme idea?

WHATTTTTTT ??????? Someone here doesn't like me ????????????????

Don't take it personal. Labels get thrown around here like rotten fruit. If you're a Republican who complains about welfare, it's because 'government' (notice generic term) is bad. If you're a Democrat complaining about foreign policy it must mean you harbor some anti-American sentiment. It's the Michael Savage, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, style of political arguing....if I don't like you, I just discredit you by throwing a few labels your way to silence your thought provoking argument because, God knows, we can't be having a bunch of people actually thinking.

You mean labels like "racist, capitalist pig, bigot, homophobe, flat earther, Jesus freak, global warming denier, etc..." I think these terms were being thrown out since I was a child long before Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity were on the scene. Micheal Savage don't count he is a freak! We finally stand up after being beat down for 40 years and then we are accused of discrediting our opponents by attacks. That has been the tactic of the left for my 41 years of life.

If more people think then left loses because all your arguments are all emotional and not intellectual!

Labels have been thrown around by all sides of every ideological argument...no doubt about it. However, I think you're doing yourself a disservice to dismiss any argument presented by anyone you label as left or liberal because ideologues can never be right all the time and not every political argument can fit so neatly within a specific ideology.

For example, Ron Paul is very much a fiscal conservative and very much anti-war. Bush is big on government and spends our tax money like a drunken sailor. When you lift the veil of labels you find that issues don't also divide into two distinct viewpoints and most Americans don't think along some rigid ideological view.

If you read one of my previous posts I gave him an "F" on that. 2 out of 3 remember.

Ron Paul is a Libertarian not a conservative Republican. So he would get 2 out of 3 on that also.

George W. Bush was never a true conservative. I never treated him as such.

My core Principles are:

1. Low Taxes

2. Small Limited Government

3. Strong National Defense

BTW strong national defense is the number one duty of the federal government as stated in the constitution. Above all others for obvious reasons.

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

So basically the article is saying that Iran and its allies are so friggin' powerful that they

will single-handedly bring the U.S. to its knees.

Sorry but I just don't see it happening.

The whole "Iran strikes back" part is bogus.

lemme know when they get a neutron bomb.

[Don_Joy's Prince 0]

So basically the article is saying that Iran and its allies are so friggin' powerful that they

will single-handedly bring the U.S. to its knees.

Sorry but I just don't see it happening.

The whole "Iran strikes back" part is bogus.

Yes it is the pipe dream of the terrorist sympathizers that are here in this web-site.

I hope the CIA is monitoring this site, instead of Joe Blow talking to his mother as the lefties seem to think they are doing.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So basically the article is saying that Iran and its allies are so friggin' powerful that they

will single-handedly bring the U.S. to its knees.

Sorry but I just don't see it happening.

The whole "Iran strikes back" part is bogus.

Yes it is the pipe dream of the terrorist sympathizers that are here in this web-site.

I hope the CIA is monitoring this site, instead of Joe Blow talking to his mother as the lefties seem to think they are doing.

That's not intellectual either.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

My core Principles are:

1. Low Taxes

2. Small Limited Government

3. Strong National Defense

BTW strong national defense is the number one duty of the federal government as stated in the constitution. Above all others for obvious reasons.

How do you pay for a war that's costing billions of dollars and carries on longer than the last WW? Where does National Defense stop? And does it include protecting our interests, both economic as well as national? Define a small, limited Government? Does it include wire-tapping? Consumer protection? Public works and education? What is the definition of Big Government?

You don't have to answer those questions. I'm just trying to point that however secure you feel about those core priniciples, there's a lot of room there for different ideas about those values when it comes to government.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think there's a bit of scaremongering going on here. The guy may be a former CIA officer, but he sounds like he's trying to pitch an "in the tradition" Tom Clancy novel. He has a pretty theatrical interpretation of international politics - the whole scenario seems pretty unlikely IMO.

I think the timing is a little off too - 2 or 3 years ago, he might have had a point - but I think the neocons (that small hardcore of Republicans) have outworn their welcome with 7 years of expensive military action in the middle-east. Short of another 9/11-type scenario occurring in the next few months - I'd say their voice in the next election will be a small one.

If you are correct then the next war will be an all out conflagration. Be ready it will come in about 10 years if we don't stop the militant Islamic terrorists now!

But you may be a big fan of Neville Chamberlain

Big fan of Chamberlain? Not really - but now that you mention it he was actually a better leader than he was given credit for. But all anyone chooses to remember is that he "appeased Hitler".

[HAL 9000 96]

My core Principles are:

1. Low Taxes

2. Small Limited Government

3. Strong National Defense

BTW strong national defense is the number one duty of the federal government as stated in the constitution. Above all others for obvious reasons.

How do you pay for a war that's costing billions of dollars and carries on longer than the last WW? Where does National Defense stop? And does it include protecting our interests, both economic as well as national? Define a small, limited Government? Does it include wire-tapping? Consumer protection? Public works and education? What is the definition of Big Government?

You don't have to answer those questions. I'm just trying to point that however secure you feel about those core priniciples, there's a lot of room there for different ideas about those values when it comes to government.

Low taxes... for the wealthy

Small Limited Government... as long as the legislation is Laissez Faire for moi, I won't care about it spilling over into...

a Strong National Defense by limiting the rights of those around me.

[mawilson 2,133]

Low taxes... for the wealthy

Of course for the wealthy. The poor don't generate enough tax revenue to even pay

for the things that they use (public schools, buses, subways), let alone things like wars.

The wealthiest 1% of taxpayers pay nearly 40% of the (federal income) tax burden. At the

other end of the income scale, those earning below $30,000 pay only 3% of the federal

income tax burden.

The tax burden is so skewed against upper-income earners that the wealthiest 1% pay a

greater share of the tax burden than the bottom 90% combined.

[Peikko 1,575]

...The wealthiest 1% of taxpayers pay nearly 40% of the (federal income) tax burden. At the

other end of the income scale, those earning below $30,000 pay only 3% of the federal

income tax burden.

The tax burden is so skewed against upper-income earners that the wealthiest 1% pay a

greater share of the tax burden than the bottom 90% combined.

So? What's the problem? It might sound terrible, but the reality is, it's not. There is little to no point in taxing people who earn less than $30,000.

What I think this neatly illustrates though, is the illusion that everyone can get rich. Clearly, they can't and they don't.

[Don_Joy's Prince 0]

My core Principles are:

1. Low Taxes

2. Small Limited Government

3. Strong National Defense

BTW strong national defense is the number one duty of the federal government as stated in the constitution. Above all others for obvious reasons.

How do you pay for a war that's costing billions of dollars and carries on longer than the last WW? Where does National Defense stop? And does itinclude protecting our interests, both economic as well as national? Define a small, limited Government? Does it include wire-tapping? Consumer protection? Public works and education? What is the definition of Big Government?

You don't have to answer those questions. I'm just trying to point that however secure you feel about those core priniciples, there's a lot of room there for different ideas about those values when it comes to government.

How do you pay for a war that's costing billions of dollars and carries on longer than the last WW?

This is more important then the money it cost, Did you know that the newspapers were saying the same things about post-war Germany after WW2 that they say about Iraq, That the post war situation Germany was a failure and un-winnable. Were they right? No! Should we have let the pro-Nazi forces and sympathizers destabilize post-war Germany?

Where does National Defense stop?

It does not ever stop! If it stops then our country ceases to exist. That is not a hard concept to grasp. I will lay my life down right this very minute if it is what my country asks of me. Including giving my life for our current effort in Iraq. What do you feel is worth giving your life for? Is there anything? Freedom, Democracy and Capitalism are what I am willing to donate my life for. To insure that future generations will have these blessings.

And does it include protecting our interests, both economic as well as national?

National interest of course. Economic Interests need to be prioritized. Oil is the life blood of freedom for the common man. Yes, when it comes to the free flow of oil at market prices. When it comes to the free flow of bananas from Central and South America, well probably not. Opposing dictators like Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro, absolutely. Because it will be the USA that will have to pay to rebuild these countries after they are put into ruin by socialist policies.

Define a small, limited Government?

Government only doing things that the free market cannot supply. National defense is a government function. Heath care is better left to market forces. Because we need constant improvement and innovation in health care that a government program will never produce. If our heath care is nationalized then all improvements and innovation will cease. And the price will skyrocket and quality will plummet because it will 100% government monopoly. The reason why our costs are out of control is because of the third party payer system that we use today. Each person should be empowered by a first party payer system that would create competition in the heath care industry that is almost non-existent. It only exists in two areas Lasik eye surgery and Plastic Surgery. These are both areas are first party payer. Cost and quality have increased at the same time prices have dropped. The answer to the health care problem is Health savings accounts. Not universal health care. Institute first party payer system in all realms of health care and the costs will drop as quality increases.

If I had all that money that Social Security is ripping me off for and had it in the most conservative bond or mutual fund I would not have any worries about retirement. But I do. And the politicians could not use it for their own pork project piggy bank to buy their votes.

Wire-tapping?

We are at war! Are you saying that we should not be able to listen to terrorists that live other countries talking to terrorists? Just because the way the law was written in the 70's and the wires go through our country we cannot listen. That is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. "If they are listening now I grant them permission to listen to any and all of my conversations." Only people that have something to hide should be concerned with this. Which makes me wonder about the people that are concerned about this. What have you been up to "Mister Fancypants". The Clintons' were the ones that tapped the phones of Bill's bimbos. Oh, and Hillary was in charge of the bimbo squad BTW. At war we should tap the phones of the enemy that is correct. Which is not even close to what FDR did in WW2.

Consumer protection?

Consumer protection should be done with a light touch not the sledge hammer that the wield now, OSHA included which have so many B#LL$HIT regulations that are only used to increase revenues to the agency. BTW they can impose anything they want without any over site and with the full backing and power of any law. It's nuts!

Public works?

Public works are being done in my state by private companies, because the Oregon DOT scrapes their 1 billion off the top and does not use one crew, while they contract out the work. If we just contract it out in the first place without DOT then we would be 1 billion ahead. Then maybe we could get a new mile of road. Which they have not built any in the last 20 years.

Education system?

Education system is a complete failure! It is going to privatize itself. You can see it already. The public education system is a sacred cow that the teachers unions have bleed to death. When the public finally gives up on the public education, then we will finally be able to go to an education system like that in Belgium. Where the money follows the child and not the school. Then the schools must compete for the child's money by competing with a better education. Until then home schooling and private schools will continue to provide a better education at half the cost.

What is the definition of Big Government?

Government Providing any service that can be provided cheaper and better by the private sector. i.e......Health care, Retirement, Education, Public repair work, etc.....Lets leave big things like infrastructure across state lines, Defense, maybe some power generation projects that take some strong hand to get them past the Environmental extremists, laws and courts. Thats it! That is all that is authorized in the constitution. The goal of the constitution is to stay out of the way of people so that freedom is possible, not to hold their hand from cradle to grave. That's not freedom thats tyranny even if the goals are admirable. It is the first 150 years of this country staying out of the way of the people that created a level of prosperity for the common man that has never been achieved by any civilization in the history of mankind. Past or present. I have a better standard of living then Nero as Caesar did as emperor of Rome!

We have dwarfed countries that have been around for thousands of years in just a little over 200. You think that is because we are any better, smarter or more fortunate then any other country in the world. NO! It is because our Constitution and system of justice have created a rule of law and opportunity for the common man to be all he can achieve. Corruption and Socialism destroy this completely and absolutely! By the government not holding our hands makes us better and more self-reliant.

I'm just trying to point that however secure you feel about those core principles, there's a lot of room there for different ideas about those values when it comes to government.

Just because you have different ideas about those values does not mean you are correct. You are entitled to your opinion even if it is wrong.

I recommend that you read:

The Road to Serfdom by Fredrich Hayek

Basic Economics: A Citizens Guide to the Economyby Dr. Thomas Sowell

The Worm in the Apple by Peter Brimelow

Maybe you will have a better understanding of the subject matter if you keep an open mind. The media has blasted you with their messages for so long that you close your mind to the fact that they may be wrong.

[natty bumppo 297]

If you are not happy then leave. Don't leave because you think I insinuated. Remember you're in a free country.

LMAO. So...... where did you spend the Clinton years ?

Oh ... you are into cigars ..... or ... do you need dollars ...

Edited January 1, 2008 by Natty Bumppo

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

If you are not happy then leave. Don't leave because you think I insinuated. Remember you're in a free country.

LMAO. So...... where did you spend the Clinton years ?

Oh ... you are into cigars ..... or ... do you need dollars ...

Hand dipped seeeeeegars, all the while bombing bosnia. Oooooops was that the Chinese embassy? Hillary for president? Aint gonna happen!

[Don_Joy's Prince 0]

My core Principles are:

1. Low Taxes

2. Small Limited Government

3. Strong National Defense

BTW strong national defense is the number one duty of the federal government as stated in the constitution. Above all others for obvious reasons.

How do you pay for a war that's costing billions of dollars and carries on longer than the last WW? Where does National Defense stop? And does itinclude protecting our interests, both economic as well as national? Define a small, limited Government? Does it include wire-tapping? Consumer protection? Public works and education? What is the definition of Big Government?

You don't have to answer those questions. I'm just trying to point that however secure you feel about those core priniciples, there's a lot of room there for different ideas about those values when it comes to government.

How do you pay for a war that's costing billions of dollars and carries on longer than the last WW?

This is more important then the money it cost, Did you know that the newspapers were saying the same things about post-war Germany after WW2 that they say about Iraq, That the post war situation Germany was a failure and un-winnable. Were they right? No! Should we have let the pro-Nazi forces and sympathizers destabilize post-war Germany?

Where does National Defense stop?

It does not ever stop! If it stops then our country ceases to exist. That is not a hard concept to grasp. I will lay my life down right this very minute if it is what my country asks of me. Including giving my life for our current effort in Iraq. What do you feel is worth giving your life for? Is there anything? Freedom, Democracy and Capitalism are what I am willing to donate my life for. To insure that future generations will have these blessings.

And does it include protecting our interests, both economic as well as national?

National interest of course. Economic Interests need to be prioritized. Oil is the life blood of freedom for the common man. Yes, when it comes to the free flow of oil at market prices. When it comes to the free flow of bananas from Central and South America, well probably not. Opposing dictators like Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro, absolutely. Because it will be the USA that will have to pay to rebuild these countries after they are put into ruin by socialist policies.

Define a small, limited Government?

Government only doing things that the free market cannot supply. National defense is a government function. Heath care is better left to market forces. Because we need constant improvement and innovation in health care that a government program will never produce. If our heath care is nationalized then all improvements and innovation will cease. And the price will skyrocket and quality will plummet because it will 100% government monopoly. The reason why our costs are out of control is because of the third party payer system that we use today. Each person should be empowered by a first party payer system that would create competition in the heath care industry that is almost non-existent. It only exists in two areas Lasik eye surgery and Plastic Surgery. These are both areas are first party payer. Cost and quality have increased at the same time prices have dropped. The answer to the health care problem is Health savings accounts. Not universal health care. Institute first party payer system in all realms of health care and the costs will drop as quality increases.

If I had all that money that Social Security is ripping me off for and had it in the most conservative bond or mutual fund I would not have any worries about retirement. But I do. And the politicians could not use it for their own pork project piggy bank to buy their votes.

Wire-tapping?

We are at war! Are you saying that we should not be able to listen to terrorists that live other countries talking to terrorists? Just because the way the law was written in the 70's and the wires go through our country we cannot listen. That is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. "If they are listening now I grant them permission to listen to any and all of my conversations." Only people that have something to hide should be concerned with this. Which makes me wonder about the people that are concerned about this. What have you been up to "Mister Fancypants". The Clintons' were the ones that tapped the phones of Bill's bimbos. Oh, and Hillary was in charge of the bimbo squad BTW. At war we should tap the phones of the enemy that is correct. Which is not even close to what FDR did in WW2.

Consumer protection?

Consumer protection should be done with a light touch not the sledge hammer that the wield now, OSHA included which have so many B#LL$HIT regulations that are only used to increase revenues to the agency. BTW they can impose anything they want without any over site and with the full backing and power of any law. It's nuts!

Public works?

Public works are being done in my state by private companies, because the Oregon DOT scrapes their 1 billion off the top and does not use one crew, while they contract out the work. If we just contract it out in the first place without DOT then we would be 1 billion ahead. Then maybe we could get a new mile of road. Which they have not built any in the last 20 years.

Education system?

Education system is a complete failure! It is going to privatize itself. You can see it already. The public education system is a sacred cow that the teachers unions have bleed to death. When the public finally gives up on the public education, then we will finally be able to go to an education system like that in Belgium. Where the money follows the child and not the school. Then the schools must compete for the child's money by competing with a better education. Until then home schooling and private schools will continue to provide a better education at half the cost.

What is the definition of Big Government?

Government Providing any service that can be provided cheaper and better by the private sector. i.e......Health care, Retirement, Education, Public repair work, etc.....Lets leave big things like infrastructure across state lines, Defense, maybe some power generation projects that take some strong hand to get them past the Environmental extremists, laws and courts. Thats it! That is all that is authorized in the constitution. The goal of the constitution is to stay out of the way of people so that freedom is possible, not to hold their hand from cradle to grave. That's not freedom thats tyranny even if the goals are admirable. It is the first 150 years of this country staying out of the way of the people that created a level of prosperity for the common man that has never been achieved by any civilization in the history of mankind. Past or present. I have a better standard of living then Nero as Caesar did as emperor of Rome!

We have dwarfed countries that have been around for thousands of years in just a little over 200. You think that is because we are any better, smarter or more fortunate then any other country in the world. NO! It is because our Constitution and system of justice have created a rule of law and opportunity for the common man to be all he can achieve. Corruption and Socialism destroy this completely and absolutely! By the government not holding our hands makes us better and more self-reliant.

I'm just trying to point that however secure you feel about those core principles, there's a lot of room there for different ideas about those values when it comes to government.

Just because you have different ideas about those values does not mean you are correct. You are entitled to your opinion even if it is wrong.

I recommend that you read:

The Road to Serfdom by Fredrich Hayek

Basic Economics: A Citizens Guide to the Economyby Dr. Thomas Sowell

The Worm in the Apple by Peter Brimelow

Maybe you will have a better understanding of the subject matter if you keep an open mind. The media has blasted you with their messages for so long that you close your mind to the fact that they may be wrong.

It took me two stinking hours to rebut your post Mister Fancypants! And Nothing! Not one comment from you what so ever! Too long for you. You have ADD or something? Now answer me please! I know your out there!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Straw man arguments and arrogant "maybe you will have a better understanding of the subject matter if you..." statements don't amount to a rebuttal if you missed the point that was being made in the first place.

Even if they do take two hours to type...