A pondering lurker

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

I've lurked and posted on many immigration websites for several years now. The former being the case with this one.

After spending more time here than usual over a holiday lull in my work travels, I've a question.

I don't quite understand the tolerance of the Admin of this website for what I would call 'questionable topics'. I notice quite a bit of intolerance with issues like 'illegal immigration'. I see some political topics discussed as well that I wouldn't think Admin would care to be linked with on random google searches.

Just what exactly is the purpose of VisaJourney?

[Fandango 1,439]

I've lurked and posted on many immigration websites for several years now. The former being the case with this one.

After spending more time here than usual over a holiday lull in my work travels, I've a question.

I don't quite understand the tolerance of the Admin of this website for what I would call 'questionable topics'. I notice quite a bit of intolerance with issues like 'illegal immigration'. I see some political topics discussed as well that I wouldn't think Admin would care to be linked with on random google searches.

Just what exactly is the purpose of VisaJourney?

LEGAL immigration.

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

If you are referring to topics in the Off Topic area then some of what you say could be possible. We created the Off Topic forum to allow posts "outside" the topic off immigration. We also typically allow a greater latitude in the Off Topic forum for the same reasons. That said, violations of the TOS are enforced in all forums. Things such as blatent attacks of other members, trolling, etc are always takene care of when reported to us.

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

intolerance with issues like 'illegal immigration'

If by intolerance you mean that we do not allow people to promote or instruct people to violate US law by undertaking in illegal immigration than you are correct. VJ promotes legal immigration and all the steps that go along with it. It is totally ok to discuss the subject of illegal immigration but people should not tell others to take part in it or promote it (see TOS for a better explanation).

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

I see some political topics discussed as well that I wouldn't think Admin would care to be linked with on random google searches.

In general politics are an important part of life and even in many cases tie into immigration. Clearly there is no "right or wrong" political view point and open discussion (in a productive way) allows members to gain insight and opportunity to share their thoughts on many subjects. If you think however that certain subjects should not be allowed to be discussed I am curious as to what topics you mean.

In regards to posting on politics (or other topics), members should place their posts in the correct forum. Immigration topics should go in the correct forum and if the topic is "off topic" then it should go in the Off Topic" forum.

Like in any forum or topic, if there are personal attacks or other repeated violations of the TOS then they can result in members getting a verbal warning, suspension, or more.

[Fandango 1,439]

Yay for E

[Alt name 1]

I had the same question. May I politely ask what it is that you saw, or read, that bothered you?

D&N <---------------- living proof to warning and more for TOS

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=102169

This is a difficult case. Short thread. Not a lot of info.

I wondered how some of the conclusions were drawn.

[Fandango 1,439]

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=102169

This is a difficult case. Short thread. Not a lot of info.

I wondered how some of the conclusions were drawn.

What I wonder is why you say 'questionable topics' when that topic you just posted is absolutely valid. Yet you come here with talk of ' I wouldn't think Admin would care to be linked with on random google searches.' when it seems what you have issue with is one particular poster.

If you find anything offensive, feel free to report it to admin or pm a mod...to call in question the site's whole way of dealing with things seems a bit OTT imo. If you want answers to how 'some of the conclusions are drawn' you can feel free to continue your exchange with the poster in question in that thread. I don't know how anyone else could help you satisfy your curiosity as to why that poster feels the way (s)he does. That is not a question for admin.

[Alt name 1]

OH, thank you for your reply.

I remember that topic from a few days ago. There are a few VJ'ers who promote the "alternate immigration path" of tourist visa/AOS and similar things. Most of us, despite the loud voice of the bullies (LAL, RebecaJo, Mermaid, etc) only help one another get through the legal process of filing, waiting, and suffering through the legal process. There are legal ways to marry and file adjustment of status once you are in the states. There have been posts from students who meet someone and want to get married, and adjust from student visas to PR, and similar types of cases. These are perfectly legal attempts to understand what they need to do to stay with their SO's while they continue to live here, even if they can potentially fall out of status while their paperwork is being processed.

I have spoken up against promoting the "alternate immigration path", and have been put down, beat up, and shot up for it, and I understand your concern about what you read on this post. The majority of VJ members, I have found, do not try to help or promote anyone to skirt immigration laws or shortcut into the US to live here while they get through the immigration process.

There have been many Canadians and Europeans (who are from countries with visa waiver programs) on this forum who implicitly promote the tourist/AOS path to immigration. What I find is that here on VJ if you speak up about that you are more likely to get suspended or penalized in some way because there is an underlying (implied) feeling that this is the best, easiest, and most painless way to "immigrate".

(Fully expecting to get nailed for this post)

Regards,

David and Nitadyah, who have suffered through the full, painful, and legal process

Noting this is a perfect example of my previous post

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=102169

This is a difficult case. Short thread. Not a lot of info.

I wondered how some of the conclusions were drawn.

What I wonder is why you say 'questionable topics' when that topic you just posted is absolutely valid. Yet you come here with talk of ' I wouldn't think Admin would care to be linked with on random google searches.' when it seems what you have issue with is one particular poster.

If you find anything offensive, feel free to report it to admin or pm a mod...to call in question the site's whole way of dealing with things seems a bit OTT imo. If you want answers to how 'some of the conclusions are drawn' you can feel free to continue your exchange with the poster in question in that thread. I don't know how anyone else could help you satisfy your curiosity as to why that poster feels the way (s)he does. That is not a question for admin.

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=102169

This is a difficult case. Short thread. Not a lot of info.

I wondered how some of the conclusions were drawn.

What I wonder is why you say 'questionable topics' when that topic you just posted is absolutely valid. Yet you come here with talk of ' I wouldn't think Admin would care to be linked with on random google searches.' when it seems what you have issue with is one particular poster.

If you find anything offensive, feel free to report it to admin or pm a mod...to call in question the site's whole way of dealing with things seems a bit OTT imo. If you want answers to how 'some of the conclusions are drawn' you can feel free to continue your exchange with the poster in question in that thread. I don't know how anyone else could help you satisfy your curiosity as to why that poster feels the way (s)he does. That is not a question for admin.

Begging the ladies pardon if she feels the referenced thread is OTT. I felt it best to cite an example wherein I was a thread participant. And my only concern here was what I believed to be a rush to judgment on the OP.

Since you are obviously a more active poster than I, perhaps you've got a better example?

[Fandango 1,439]

OH, thank you for your reply.

I remember that topic from a few days ago. There are a few VJ'ers who promote the "alternate immigration path" of tourist visa/AOS and similar things. Most of us, despite the loud voice of the bullies (LAL, RebecaJo, Mermaid, etc) only help one another get through the legal process of filing, waiting, and suffering through the legal process. There are legal ways to marry and file adjustment of status once you are in the states. There have been posts from students who meet someone and want to get married, and adjust from student visas to PR, and similar types of cases. These are perfectly legal attempts to understand what they need to do to stay with their SO's while they continue to live here, even if they can potentially fall out of status while their paperwork is being processed.

I have spoken up against promoting the "alternate immigration path", and have been put down, beat up, and shot up for it, and I understand your concern about what you read on this post. The majority of VJ members, I have found, do not try to help or promote anyone to skirt immigration laws or shortcut into the US to live here while they get through the immigration process.

There have been many Canadians and Europeans (who are from countries with visa waiver programs) on this forum who implicitly promote the tourist/AOS path to immigration. What I find is that here on VJ if you speak up about that you are more likely to get suspended or penalized in some way because there is an underlying (implied) feeling that this is the best, easiest, and most painless way to "immigrate".

(Fully expecting to get nailed for this post)

Regards,

David and Nitadyah, who have suffered through the full, painful, and legal process

Noting this is a perfect example of my previous post

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=102169

This is a difficult case. Short thread. Not a lot of info.

I wondered how some of the conclusions were drawn.

What I wonder is why you say 'questionable topics' when that topic you just posted is absolutely valid. Yet you come here with talk of ' I wouldn't think Admin would care to be linked with on random google searches.' when it seems what you have issue with is one particular poster.

If you find anything offensive, feel free to report it to admin or pm a mod...to call in question the site's whole way of dealing with things seems a bit OTT imo. If you want answers to how 'some of the conclusions are drawn' you can feel free to continue your exchange with the poster in question in that thread. I don't know how anyone else could help you satisfy your curiosity as to why that poster feels the way (s)he does. That is not a question for admin.

I beg your pardon? What point exactly are you trying to prove with my post?

To clarify this VWP/AOS issue, the legality lies in intent upon entry. If one uses the VWP as means to enter while intending to marry and file for AOS, that is fraud. If one is here visiting/on another form of temp visa, and they decide after entry to marry, AOS is a perfectly legitimate option. No one here should be 'promoting' a fraudulent entry with intent to immigrate. And as to your assertion that you will get 'put down, beat up, shot, suspended or penalized' for speaking out against fraudulent paths to LPR here on VJ, you are absolutely 100% wrong as this site does not endorse such behavior. Any member implicitly endorsing fraudulent behavior is violating TOS.

[Alt name 1]

My point is made. Allow the OP to draw his own conclusions.

OH, thank you for your reply.

I remember that topic from a few days ago. There are a few VJ'ers who promote the "alternate immigration path" of tourist visa/AOS and similar things. Most of us, despite the loud voice of the bullies (LAL, RebecaJo, Mermaid, etc) only help one another get through the legal process of filing, waiting, and suffering through the legal process. There are legal ways to marry and file adjustment of status once you are in the states. There have been posts from students who meet someone and want to get married, and adjust from student visas to PR, and similar types of cases. These are perfectly legal attempts to understand what they need to do to stay with their SO's while they continue to live here, even if they can potentially fall out of status while their paperwork is being processed.

I have spoken up against promoting the "alternate immigration path", and have been put down, beat up, and shot up for it, and I understand your concern about what you read on this post. The majority of VJ members, I have found, do not try to help or promote anyone to skirt immigration laws or shortcut into the US to live here while they get through the immigration process.

There have been many Canadians and Europeans (who are from countries with visa waiver programs) on this forum who implicitly promote the tourist/AOS path to immigration. What I find is that here on VJ if you speak up about that you are more likely to get suspended or penalized in some way because there is an underlying (implied) feeling that this is the best, easiest, and most painless way to "immigrate".

(Fully expecting to get nailed for this post)

Regards,

David and Nitadyah, who have suffered through the full, painful, and legal process

Noting this is a perfect example of my previous post

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=102169

This is a difficult case. Short thread. Not a lot of info.

I wondered how some of the conclusions were drawn.

What I wonder is why you say 'questionable topics' when that topic you just posted is absolutely valid. Yet you come here with talk of ' I wouldn't think Admin would care to be linked with on random google searches.' when it seems what you have issue with is one particular poster.

If you find anything offensive, feel free to report it to admin or pm a mod...to call in question the site's whole way of dealing with things seems a bit OTT imo. If you want answers to how 'some of the conclusions are drawn' you can feel free to continue your exchange with the poster in question in that thread. I don't know how anyone else could help you satisfy your curiosity as to why that poster feels the way (s)he does. That is not a question for admin.

I beg your pardon? What point exactly are you trying to prove with my post?

To clarify this VWP/AOS issue, the legality lies in intent upon entry. If one uses the VWP as means to enter while intending to marry and file for AOS, that is fraud. If one is here visiting/on another form of temp visa, and they decide after entry to marry, AOS is a perfectly legitimate option. No one here should be 'promoting' a fraudulent entry with intent to immigrate. And as to your assertion that you will get 'put down, beat up, shot, suspended or penalized' for speaking out against fraudulent paths to LPR here on VJ, you are absolutely 100% wrong as this site does not endorse such behavior. Any member implicitly endorsing fraudulent behavior is violating TOS.

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

I'm not sure I follow you.

There may be 'alternate immigration paths' as you call them, but some are just as legal as others.

Is that the problem?

OH, thank you for your reply.

I remember that topic from a few days ago. There are a few VJ'ers who promote the "alternate immigration path" of tourist visa/AOS and similar things. Most of us, despite the loud voice of the bullies (LAL, RebecaJo, Mermaid, etc) only help one another get through the legal process of filing, waiting, and suffering through the legal process. There are legal ways to marry and file adjustment of status once you are in the states. There have been posts from students who meet someone and want to get married, and adjust from student visas to PR, and similar types of cases. These are perfectly legal attempts to understand what they need to do to stay with their SO's while they continue to live here, even if they can potentially fall out of status while their paperwork is being processed.

I have spoken up against promoting the "alternate immigration path", and have been put down, beat up, and shot up for it, and I understand your concern about what you read on this post. The majority of VJ members, I have found, do not try to help or promote anyone to skirt immigration laws or shortcut into the US to live here while they get through the immigration process.

There have been many Canadians and Europeans (who are from countries with visa waiver programs) on this forum who implicitly promote the tourist/AOS path to immigration. What I find is that here on VJ if you speak up about that you are more likely to get suspended or penalized in some way because there is an underlying (implied) feeling that this is the best, easiest, and most painless way to "immigrate".

(Fully expecting to get nailed for this post)

Regards,

David and Nitadyah, who have suffered through the full, painful, and legal process

Noting this is a perfect example of my previous post

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=102169

This is a difficult case. Short thread. Not a lot of info.

I wondered how some of the conclusions were drawn.

What I wonder is why you say 'questionable topics' when that topic you just posted is absolutely valid. Yet you come here with talk of ' I wouldn't think Admin would care to be linked with on random google searches.' when it seems what you have issue with is one particular poster.

If you find anything offensive, feel free to report it to admin or pm a mod...to call in question the site's whole way of dealing with things seems a bit OTT imo. If you want answers to how 'some of the conclusions are drawn' you can feel free to continue your exchange with the poster in question in that thread. I don't know how anyone else could help you satisfy your curiosity as to why that poster feels the way (s)he does. That is not a question for admin.

[Fandango 1,439]

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=102169

This is a difficult case. Short thread. Not a lot of info.

I wondered how some of the conclusions were drawn.

What I wonder is why you say 'questionable topics' when that topic you just posted is absolutely valid. Yet you come here with talk of ' I wouldn't think Admin would care to be linked with on random google searches.' when it seems what you have issue with is one particular poster.

If you find anything offensive, feel free to report it to admin or pm a mod...to call in question the site's whole way of dealing with things seems a bit OTT imo. If you want answers to how 'some of the conclusions are drawn' you can feel free to continue your exchange with the poster in question in that thread. I don't know how anyone else could help you satisfy your curiosity as to why that poster feels the way (s)he does. That is not a question for admin.

Begging the ladies pardon if she feels the referenced thread is OTT. I felt it best to cite an example wherein I was a thread participant. And my only concern here was what I believed to be a rush to judgment on the OP.

Since you are obviously a more active poster than I, perhaps you've got a better example?

No, what I feel is OTT is this whole thread, if what you are referencing is a problem with one particular poster. Threads like this one are only going to bring out people's issues with other posters, imo (see above). To call the whole site to task over an issue with one other poster DOES seem OTT to me. That shouldn't stop you from doing what you want...I'm just voicing my opinion.

I don't quite see the 'intolerance for illegal immigration' in that particular thread....if you were to mosy into OT, you can have your choice of any illegal thread where you WILL see intolerance. But that is only natural, imo....this site is to promote anecdotal evidence of people involved with a visa journey...and no where here should there be any tolerance for giving advice or promoting a fraudulent means of entry.

There is one admin and two mods (well there's 3, but let's not get into that)...it is v likely that none of these people have personally seen that particular thread. If you feel there's a TOS violation, by all means alert them to it.

My point is made. Allow the OP to draw his own conclusions.

How would I go about disallowing that? And why would I even want to?

I'm asking you to clarify what you're getting at. Please and thank you.