Muslim students in UK college 'being taught to despise unbelievers as filth'

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

MUSLIM students training to be imams at a British college with strong Iranian links have complained that they are being taught fundamentalist doctrines which describe nonMuslims as “filth”.

The Times has obtained extracts from medieval texts taught to the students in which unbelievers are likened to pigs and dogs. The texts are taught at the Hawza Ilmiyya of London, a religious school, which has a sister institution, the Islamic College for Advanced Studies (ICAS), which offers a degree validated by Middlesex University.

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The text that has upset some students is the core work in their Introduction to Islamic Law class and was written by Muhaqqiq al-Hilli, a 13thcentury scholar.

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Besides likening unbelievers to filth, the al-Hilli text includes a chapter on jihad, setting down the conditions under which Muslims are supposed to fight Jews and Christians.

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THE DOCTRINE

‘The water left over in the container after any type of animal has drunk from it is considered clean and pure apart from the left over of a dog, a pig, and a disbeliever’

‘There are ten types of filth and impurities: urine, faeces, semen, carrion, blood of carrion, dogs, pigs, disbelievers’

‘When a dog, a pig, or a disbeliever touches or comes in contact with the clothes or body [of a Muslim] while he [the disbeliever] is wet, it becomes obligatory- compulsory upon him [the Muslim] to wash and clean that part which came in contact with the disbeliever’

From the al-Hilli text

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2142403,00.html

[Scott & Lai 12]

Lovely....

So, who are the true Muslims here? The students? Or the teachers and the writers of the Medieval texts?

Edited April 20, 2006 by Scott & Lai

[almaty 19]

the students are the true muslims ..

Edited April 20, 2006 by almaty2004

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

the students are the true muslims ..

True or not, they are the ones standing up against the extremists. They are the good guys.

[Sister Fracas 5]

the students are the true muslims ..

[Veiled Princess 1]

I have read hadiths (sayings/actions of the Prophet) about the impurity of the saliva of the dog but none of them (the ones that I have read) mention anything about nonbelievers (or even pigs for that matter).

The article online says that one of the teachers commented that they only use that book to teach them how to read the texts but not to learn the law from it and that they don't teach from the chapter of the book that this is included in.

“The idea is not to teach them jurisprudence because most of the fatwas of Muhaqiq are not actually conforming with the fatwa of our modern jurists. The idea is that they would be able to read classical texts and that is all.”

I have never read anything like this in the Quran or any hadiths. The Quran says (I'm paraphrasing) to deal justly with nonbelievers as long as they are not harming the believers.

60.8 Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just. -The Quran

[almaty 19]

I have read hadiths (sayings/actions of the Prophet) about the impurity of the saliva of the dog but none of them (the ones that I have read) mention anything about nonbelievers (or even pigs for that matter).

The article online says that one of the teachers commented that they only use that book to teach them how to read the texts but not to learn the law from it and that they don't teach from the chapter of the book that this is included in.

“The idea is not to teach them jurisprudence because most of the fatwas of Muhaqiq are not actually conforming with the fatwa of our modern jurists. The idea is that they would be able to read classical texts and that is all.”

I have never read anything like this in the Quran or any hadiths. The Quran says (I'm paraphrasing) to deal justly with nonbelievers as long as they are not harming the believers.

60.8 Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just. -The Quran

well stated sister ..............

Edited April 20, 2006 by almaty2004

[ladybutterfly 0]

These muslim fanatics drive me crazy! They all need to shut up and go to hell!

[dalegg 143]

The Austrailian Prime Minister doesn't seem so crazy now does he?

[Sister Fracas 5]

These muslim fanatics drive me crazy! They all need to shut up and go to hell!

[SteveLaura 0]

There's another old book that is being taught in religious schools in the US which condones the stoning to death of people of a different religion:

"If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant, And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and inquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel: Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die."

I wonder what we should do about it...

Source

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

There's another old book that is being taught in religious schools in the US which condones the stoning to death of people of a different religion:

"If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant, And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and inquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel: Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die."

I wonder what we should do about it...

Source

Ban the Bible.

[Sister Fracas 5]

oh dear....

[Mirorgate 0]

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[rclouse 0]

These are the same people who believe that Jews make matza with Arab baby's blood.

Although I've heard once you've had matza made with Arab baby's blood, you can't go back.