New processing times - is the USCIS lying?

[2long 0]

Few weeks ago I suggested that every single one of us should send a letter to Nebraska asking for an explanation why is taking so long to process our applications and why the older applications were left unattached collecting dust (or even getting lost) while the newer ones were transferred to California and approved within 3 to 4 months

Guess what ....not even one person wanted to join this kind of protest ,more then that someone (I won't name it ) even sad not to do it because it will slow down the process even more ,can you believe that ?????

You won't find any support here as pretty much everyone is willing to put up with this BS. Sad but true !

That was me and I stand to my word!

Oh, and "every single one of us" would be about... hmmm 35 letters? I don't think you'd make a difference that way. If you really want change, vote (or have your spouse vote..) for the right people and address the folks above the service center level. You won't achive anything by bogging down the SC itself. IMHO

Better 35 letters then nothing or we want to give them the impression that everything is OK ?

A vote won't bring anything positive for me right now specially after waiting 13 months ,I hope you realize that .

And now because you probably don't know this but today when I called USCIS after contacting my Senator ,they acknowledged that Nebraska IS NOT PROCESSING I-751 Applications anymore .Didn't 't get any details why but what I got instead was an "Expediting Service Request " for March 18,2008. Maybe some other people will consider now calling USCIS too and get the same thing except maybe you !

A Postive suggestion is dont show them anger but show them polite Protest by sending flowers with one line note.Many of us already files or will be filling N-400.Send Uscis a flower and Note that either process our N-400 on Priority or Process our I-751 soon.

Few guys on H1b visa Protest that way and it worked for them,When they extend the 485 filling window for them.Uscis Director was impressed by that Protest

If they dont have time to Process our I-751 atleast they can expediate N-400 for us.

Think about this and all positive suggestions are welcome.

You go ahead and send them a flower .

After waiting for 13 months and seeing how others were aproved in three months you want me to send them flowers ?

I don't understand why you guys encourage their incompetence

By Shouting at them will not work.By shouting we are just barking dogs and it will not solve the purpose.Sending Flowers is also way of complaining that will ashame them and will hit their heart.This is just the way to show our protest in very polite way.As I told It worked for H1b visa guys who were in the Process of applying 1-485.If you dont agree,then dont even write your anger here because USCIS does not read this FORUM.Work for solution and stop complaining.

[jamieswith 0]

Few weeks ago I suggested that every single one of us should send a letter to Nebraska asking for an explanation why is taking so long to process our applications and why the older applications were left unattached collecting dust (or even getting lost) while the newer ones were transferred to California and approved within 3 to 4 months

Guess what ....not even one person wanted to join this kind of protest ,more then that someone (I won't name it ) even sad not to do it because it will slow down the process even more ,can you believe that ?????

You won't find any support here as pretty much everyone is willing to put up with this BS. Sad but true !

That was me and I stand to my word!

Oh, and "every single one of us" would be about... hmmm 35 letters? I don't think you'd make a difference that way. If you really want change, vote (or have your spouse vote..) for the right people and address the folks above the service center level. You won't achive anything by bogging down the SC itself. IMHO

Better 35 letters then nothing or we want to give them the impression that everything is OK ?

A vote won't bring anything positive for me right now specially after waiting 13 months ,I hope you realize that .

And now because you probably don't know this but today when I called USCIS after contacting my Senator ,they acknowledged that Nebraska IS NOT PROCESSING I-751 Applications anymore .Didn't 't get any details why but what I got instead was an "Expediting Service Request " for March 18,2008. Maybe some other people will consider now calling USCIS too and get the same thing except maybe you !

A Postive suggestion is dont show them anger but show them polite Protest by sending flowers with one line note.Many of us already files or will be filling N-400.Send Uscis a flower and Note that either process our N-400 on Priority or Process our I-751 soon.

Few guys on H1b visa Protest that way and it worked for them,When they extend the 485 filling window for them.Uscis Director was impressed by that Protest

If they dont have time to Process our I-751 atleast they can expediate N-400 for us.

Think about this and all positive suggestions are welcome.

You go ahead and send them a flower .

After waiting for 13 months and seeing how others were aproved in three months you want me to send them flowers ?

I don't understand why you guys encourage their incompetence

By Shouting at them will not work.By shouting we are just barking dogs and it will not solve the purpose.Sending Flowers is also way of complaining that will ashame them and will hit their heart.This is just the way to show our protest in very polite way.As I told It worked for H1b visa guys who were in the Process of applying 1-485.If you dont agree,then dont even write your anger here because USCIS does not read this FORUM.Work for solution and stop complaining.

People might find it easier if they sent flowers... but then a bag full of dog poo along with a note... something special in recognition of your speedy service.... it's manure for the flowers of course!

[iansig40 1]

Few weeks ago I suggested that every single one of us should send a letter to Nebraska asking for an explanation why is taking so long to process our applications and why the older applications were left unattached collecting dust (or even getting lost) while the newer ones were transferred to California and approved within 3 to 4 months

Guess what ....not even one person wanted to join this kind of protest ,more then that someone (I won't name it ) even sad not to do it because it will slow down the process even more ,can you believe that ?????

You won't find any support here as pretty much everyone is willing to put up with this BS. Sad but true !

That was me and I stand to my word!

Oh, and "every single one of us" would be about... hmmm 35 letters? I don't think you'd make a difference that way. If you really want change, vote (or have your spouse vote..) for the right people and address the folks above the service center level. You won't achive anything by bogging down the SC itself. IMHO

Better 35 letters then nothing or we want to give them the impression that everything is OK ?

A vote won't bring anything positive for me right now specially after waiting 13 months ,I hope you realize that .

And now because you probably don't know this but today when I called USCIS after contacting my Senator ,they acknowledged that Nebraska IS NOT PROCESSING I-751 Applications anymore .Didn't 't get any details why but what I got instead was an "Expediting Service Request " for March 18,2008. Maybe some other people will consider now calling USCIS too and get the same thing except maybe you !

A Postive suggestion is dont show them anger but show them polite Protest by sending flowers with one line note.Many of us already files or will be filling N-400.Send Uscis a flower and Note that either process our N-400 on Priority or Process our I-751 soon.

Few guys on H1b visa Protest that way and it worked for them,When they extend the 485 filling window for them.Uscis Director was impressed by that Protest

If they dont have time to Process our I-751 atleast they can expediate N-400 for us.

Think about this and all positive suggestions are welcome.

You go ahead and send them a flower .

After waiting for 13 months and seeing how others were aproved in three months you want me to send them flowers ?

I don't understand why you guys encourage their incompetence

By Shouting at them will not work.By shouting we are just barking dogs and it will not solve the purpose.Sending Flowers is also way of complaining that will ashame them and will hit their heart.This is just the way to show our protest in very polite way.As I told It worked for H1b visa guys who were in the Process of applying 1-485.If you dont agree,then dont even write your anger here because USCIS does not read this FORUM.Work for solution and stop complaining.

People might find it easier if they sent flowers... but then a bag full of dog poo along with a note... something special in recognition of your speedy service.... it's manure for the flowers of course!

Are they polite with us? Do they show any kind of respect for the money we paid to process our applications ? The answer is NO ! To me respect means both ways ,Nebraska doesn't seam to care about that

Flowers will be the last thing on this planet to send those SOB....."a bag full of dog poo " will be more appropriate and it will show them how much we value their "work"

Anyway for the past few days I was able to get in contact with some important people that promise to investigate why Nebraska suddenly stopped processing this type of applications .Hopefully they will create a bit stem around Nebraska Service Center

Edited March 14, 2008 by iansig40

[NickD 202]

"The review of the evidence demands the judgement of an officer trained in detecting fraudulent applications"

Is this true? Experiencing a nasty IRS tax audit back in 95, learned very quickly that our government know more about me than I knew about myself, what a dreadful two year long very expensive procedure for me only for them to learn I paid a dollar too much one year and a dollar less the next. The government knows a lot more about you than you think.

What about the extensive background check the US citizen and the immigrant goes through with the I-130, I-485, and the G-325A's, if anything was fraudulent, should have been picked up then.

And exactly what is the function of the I-751, doesn't make any difference for the immigrant that applies for it is married to the US citizen or not, and only has to show a hardship that would result if deported back to their country. Showing abuse in a divorce in WI would be rather difficult because abuse is not a reason for a divorce, the only reason is that the couple has an irreconcilable difference. Prenuptial agreements do not hold up in our courts, nor does the court recognize that one spouse is drinking and gambling the household money and valuables left while the other spouse is working their can off trying to hold the family together. At the time of the divorce, if there is only one can of beans left, each gets half of it, regardless.

Marrying an immigrant for profit in WI would not be a good idea, that immigrant would not only get back half of what he/she paid, but half of everything else that culprit owns.

So exactly what is the purpose of the I-751? Don't have to stay married, but if you are have to prove that you are living together, why do you have to send in joint income taxes for example since this information is available to any government official as well as all credit card information, and bank accounts. The government already knows if you are living together and if your not, what difference does it make according to the instructions provide with the I-751? Just in case you didn't know, none of your immigration expenses are tax deductible, all paid with post tax dollars. And why is one limited to sending in the I-751 90 days before the expiration date when it's taking almost 18 months to process it, and process what?

Is it computers? Well get rid of them, only took Uncle Sam two weeks to check me out for a top secret clearance in the military, well before computers.

Only thing I can say about the I-751 is it can break up a marriage with the stress it causes and that is due to these long delays and living in uncertainty. Not even a spot on this application for the US citizen to sign, strictly filled out and signed by the immigrant wanting to maintain permanent, or rather another ten years of residence. Who ever used that word permanent, when there is nothing permanent about this card.

Another ironic thing, the fine for copying a DVD is $250,000.00 and five years in prison, same penalty as being caught to bring in an immigrant under the guise of marriage. So apparently this crime is no more serious than copying a five buck DVD.

Where I object to the entire premise of the I-751, you are guilty of a crime until you prove yourself innocent, just the opposite of what our US constitution teaches.

Yes, I did discuss all these matters with my senator with no return arguments. Not that I want to change the law, just want peace of mind for my family and me.

[iansig40 1]

"The review of the evidence demands the judgement of an officer trained in detecting fraudulent applications"

Is this true? Experiencing a nasty IRS tax audit back in 95, learned very quickly that our government know more about me than I knew about myself, what a dreadful two year long very expensive procedure for me only for them to learn I paid a dollar too much one year and a dollar less the next. The government knows a lot more about you than you think.

What about the extensive background check the US citizen and the immigrant goes through with the I-130, I-485, and the G-325A's, if anything was fraudulent, should have been picked up then.

And exactly what is the function of the I-751, doesn't make any difference for the immigrant that applies for it is married to the US citizen or not, and only has to show a hardship that would result if deported back to their country. Showing abuse in a divorce in WI would be rather difficult because abuse is not a reason for a divorce, the only reason is that the couple has an irreconcilable difference. Prenuptial agreements do not hold up in our courts, nor does the court recognize that one spouse is drinking and gambling the household money and valuables left while the other spouse is working their can off trying to hold the family together. At the time of the divorce, if there is only one can of beans left, each gets half of it, regardless.

Marrying an immigrant for profit in WI would not be a good idea, that immigrant would not only get back half of what he/she paid, but half of everything else that culprit owns.

So exactly what is the purpose of the I-751? Don't have to stay married, but if you are have to prove that you are living together, why do you have to send in joint income taxes for example since this information is available to any government official as well as all credit card information, and bank accounts. The government already knows if you are living together and if your not, what difference does it make according to the instructions provide with the I-751? Just in case you didn't know, none of your immigration expenses are tax deductible, all paid with post tax dollars. And why is one limited to sending in the I-751 90 days before the expiration date when it's taking almost 18 months to process it, and process what?

Is it computers? Well get rid of them, only took Uncle Sam two weeks to check me out for a top secret clearance in the military, well before computers.

Only thing I can say about the I-751 is it can break up a marriage with the stress it causes and that is due to these long delays and living in uncertainty. Not even a spot on this application for the US citizen to sign, strictly filled out and signed by the immigrant wanting to maintain permanent, or rather another ten years of residence. Who ever used that word permanent, when there is nothing permanent about this card.

Another ironic thing, the fine for copying a DVD is $250,000.00 and five years in prison, same penalty as being caught to bring in an immigrant under the guise of marriage. So apparently this crime is no more serious than copying a five buck DVD.

Where I object to the entire premise of the I-751, you are guilty of a crime until you prove yourself innocent, just the opposite of what our US constitution teaches.

Yes, I did discuss all these matters with my senator with no return arguments. Not that I want to change the law, just want peace of mind for my family and me.

There is no logical explanation for this I-751 other then being another money grab from USCIS.

Yes, they knew who I am from the moment I came here, well ...maybe long time before that but was that enough?

For the security of this country maybe but for their pockets, no way !

They have to make sure you pay dearly for the privilege of living in this country

I won't be surprise in the future to see them coming up with even more applications for the same purpose

Edited March 15, 2008 by iansig40

[NickD 202]

Using Adobe Acrobat 8, copied and pasted all the information from the I-485 and G-325 for both the I-751 and the N-400, same old stuff. On the N-400, finally asked if I was previously married to any immigrants, now that is hitting the nail on the head, seems more appropiate on the I-751.

Only two parts on the N-400 twisted my brain, regarding the number of times (I am the US citizen) have been married, read the question one way, seems like they only are asking for previous marriages, read it the other, the total number of marriages. On an older N-400 form, they came out and asked for the total number of marriages, my attorney said to list the total number of marriages. And also to list all charitable fund organizations my wife was working for like the United Fund, etc.

Ha, is planning on voting for other than an incumbent a means to overthrow the US government and how many people do you feel will answer yes that they are a terrorist? Also the USCIS is providing me with a motive to kill both of our ex's, much easier to copy a single death certificate than some 60 odd pages of our divorce papers, again.

Some nice things about living in America, took my wife and daughter a while to get use to drinking water directly from the faucet and to take a walk on the streets at night. But that still excludes the NW part of Milwaukee or the south side of Chicago. In visiting my mother-in-laws home and my wife's condo, felt I was walking into a jail with triple locks on the steel doors and bars on all the windows. And noted my wife was in a constant state of fear when walking down the streets or driving. We were approached by a shady looking character in Caracas from all appearances wanted to rob us, instantly got into a stance and he decided to run off rather than to attack us. But he probably was afraid that my wife would hit him with her purse.

Ha I was looking into moving into Canada, very beautiful country, especially in the Vancouver area, have friends that live in the islands, very nice.

[2long 0]

Using Adobe Acrobat 8, copied and pasted all the information from the I-485 and G-325 for both the I-751 and the N-400, same old stuff. On the N-400, finally asked if I was previously married to any immigrants, now that is hitting the nail on the head, seems more appropiate on the I-751.

Only two parts on the N-400 twisted my brain, regarding the number of times (I am the US citizen) have been married, read the question one way, seems like they only are asking for previous marriages, read it the other, the total number of marriages. On an older N-400 form, they came out and asked for the total number of marriages, my attorney said to list the total number of marriages. And also to list all charitable fund organizations my wife was working for like the United Fund, etc.

Ha, is planning on voting for other than an incumbent a means to overthrow the US government and how many people do you feel will answer yes that they are a terrorist? Also the USCIS is providing me with a motive to kill both of our ex's, much easier to copy a single death certificate than some 60 odd pages of our divorce papers, again.

Some nice things about living in America, took my wife and daughter a while to get use to drinking water directly from the faucet and to take a walk on the streets at night. But that still excludes the NW part of Milwaukee or the south side of Chicago. In visiting my mother-in-laws home and my wife's condo, felt I was walking into a jail with triple locks on the steel doors and bars on all the windows. And noted my wife was in a constant state of fear when walking down the streets or driving. We were approached by a shady looking character in Caracas from all appearances wanted to rob us, instantly got into a stance and he decided to run off rather than to attack us. But he probably was afraid that my wife would hit him with her purse.

Ha I was looking into moving into Canada, very beautiful country, especially in the Vancouver area, have friends that live in the islands, very nice.

Using Adobe Acrobat 8, copied and pasted all the information from the I-485 and G-325 for both the I-751 and the N-400, same old stuff. On the N-400, finally asked if I was previously married to any immigrants, now that is hitting the nail on the head, seems more appropiate on the I-751.

Only two parts on the N-400 twisted my brain, regarding the number of times (I am the US citizen) have been married, read the question one way, seems like they only are asking for previous marriages, read it the other, the total number of marriages. On an older N-400 form, they came out and asked for the total number of marriages, my attorney said to list the total number of marriages. And also to list all charitable fund organizations my wife was working for like the United Fund, etc.

Ha, is planning on voting for other than an incumbent a means to overthrow the US government and how many people do you feel will answer yes that they are a terrorist? Also the USCIS is providing me with a motive to kill both of our ex's, much easier to copy a single death certificate than some 60 odd pages of our divorce papers, again.

Some nice things about living in America, took my wife and daughter a while to get use to drinking water directly from the faucet and to take a walk on the streets at night. But that still excludes the NW part of Milwaukee or the south side of Chicago. In visiting my mother-in-laws home and my wife's condo, felt I was walking into a jail with triple locks on the steel doors and bars on all the windows. And noted my wife was in a constant state of fear when walking down the streets or driving. We were approached by a shady looking character in Caracas from all appearances wanted to rob us, instantly got into a stance and he decided to run off rather than to attack us. But he probably was afraid that my wife would hit him with her purse.

Ha I was looking into moving into Canada, very beautiful country, especially in the Vancouver area, have friends that live in the islands, very nice.

well anybody want to move to canada or other country then do that but please dont say anything bad about this country

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Only thing I can say about the I-751 is it can break up a marriage with the stress it causes and that is due to these long delays and living in uncertainty. Not even a spot on this application for the US citizen to sign, strictly filled out and signed by the immigrant wanting to maintain permanent, or rather another ten years of residence. Who ever used that word permanent, when there is nothing permanent about this card.

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Just a short comment - both the husband and the wife do need to sign the I-751 - it is a joint application and there is a spot on this application for both to sign. It is on the bottom of page 2, Part 6. If only the immigrant is signing then he/she needs to check off the appropriate waiver of the joint filing condition and provide the evidence of why both individuals are not signing.

The residency is permanent as long as you have done nothing to violate the terms of your residency (ie. living outside of the US for more than 1 year without prior permission, etc.). The status is still valid - the card is needed to prove it. It is only recently that they have discussed that failure to renew the 10 year card may lead to a loss of status. I don't believe that this have been enacted yet - or if it will be.

[NickD 202]

well anybody want to move to canada or other country then do that but please dont say anything bad about this country

Who said anything bad about this country? And if something "bad" was said, as a USA citizen under the first amendment under the US Constitution, we have a right to criticize our government. But nothing here with the likes of what Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, Jay Leno, or even what the current candidates running for president are saying negative about this country. Our Senator Feingold is the only senator that voted against the American Patriot Act, on the basis that he is the only one that read it. Did you read it? I read it, can couldn't believe this is from a country that I was forced to lay my life down for.

If I stated anything that is inaccurate, you have the right to report me to the VisaJourney board and have me kicked off, also if I stated anything that was offensive to another forum member.

If anything is inaccurate, is the USCIS site stating my wife's case is in Nebraska while my senator is telling me it's in California or an officer telling me that our case is being delayed due to a background check. So exactly who is being inaccurate?

What's wrong with saying Canada is a beautiful country? Go up there all time, but can drive without a passport, but required to have a passport to fly, explain that! No, I did not go to Canada to evade the draft and neither did my brothers.

Still feel the current procedure to bring my wife into this country is extremely redundant, care to challenge that statement?

[Cassie 8]

well anybody want to move to canada or other country then do that but please dont say anything bad about this country

Who said anything bad about this country? And if something "bad" was said, as a USA citizen under the first amendment under the US Constitution, we have a right to criticize our government. But nothing here with the likes of what Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, Jay Leno, or even what the current candidates running for president are saying negative about this country. Our Senator Feingold is the only senator that voted against the American Patriot Act, on the basis that he is the only one that read it. Did you read it? I read it, can couldn't believe this is from a country that I was forced to lay my life down for.

If I stated anything that is inaccurate, you have the right to report me to the VisaJourney board and have me kicked off, also if I stated anything that was offensive to another forum member.

If anything is inaccurate, is the USCIS site stating my wife's case is in Nebraska while my senator is telling me it's in California or an officer telling me that our case is being delayed due to a background check. So exactly who is being inaccurate?

What's wrong with saying Canada is a beautiful country? Go up there all time, but can drive without a passport, but required to have a passport to fly, explain that! No, I did not go to Canada to evade the draft and neither did my brothers.

Still feel the current procedure to bring my wife into this country is extremely redundant, care to challenge that statement?

The "you need a passport for land entry" rule is in the works, FYI.

And I agree with you, for a country that prides itself on free speech, etc etc., there's a lot of people that can't handle hearing some criticism about it!

[iansig40 1]

well anybody want to move to canada or other country then do that but please dont say anything bad about this country

Who said anything bad about this country? And if something "bad" was said, as a USA citizen under the first amendment under the US Constitution, we have a right to criticize our government. But nothing here with the likes of what Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, Jay Leno, or even what the current candidates running for president are saying negative about this country. Our Senator Feingold is the only senator that voted against the American Patriot Act, on the basis that he is the only one that read it. Did you read it? I read it, can couldn't believe this is from a country that I was forced to lay my life down for.

If I stated anything that is inaccurate, you have the right to report me to the VisaJourney board and have me kicked off, also if I stated anything that was offensive to another forum member.

If anything is inaccurate, is the USCIS site stating my wife's case is in Nebraska while my senator is telling me it's in California or an officer telling me that our case is being delayed due to a background check. So exactly who is being inaccurate?

What's wrong with saying Canada is a beautiful country? Go up there all time, but can drive without a passport, but required to have a passport to fly, explain that! No, I did not go to Canada to evade the draft and neither did my brothers.

Still feel the current procedure to bring my wife into this country is extremely redundant, care to challenge that statement?

Don't worry about "2long" he/she has no clue what you were trying to say !

[NickD 202]

One thing for sure, the reason must of us are here, is that, we are in a high degree of frustration augmented by the fact that we are helpless.

Forgot to mention that my first cousin's name in on that VN Memorial Board in Washington DC, he wasn't so lucky.

Also I me doing the complaining as a USA Citizen, not my wife, she's an angel. And she comes first in my life, this country comes in second.

[iansig40 1]

Only thing I can say about the I-751 is it can break up a marriage with the stress it causes and that is due to these long delays and living in uncertainty. Not even a spot on this application for the US citizen to sign, strictly filled out and signed by the immigrant wanting to maintain permanent, or rather another ten years of residence. Who ever used that word permanent, when there is nothing permanent about this card.

.

Just a short comment - both the husband and the wife do need to sign the I-751 - it is a joint application and there is a spot on this application for both to sign. It is on the bottom of page 2, Part 6. If only the immigrant is signing then he/she needs to check off the appropriate waiver of the joint filing condition and provide the evidence of why both individuals are not signing.

The residency is permanent as long as you have done nothing to violate the terms of your residency (ie. living outside of the US for more than 1 year without prior permission, etc.). The status is still valid - the card is needed to prove it. It is only recently that they have discussed that failure to renew the 10 year card may lead to a loss of status. I don't believe that this have been enacted yet - or if it will be.

You are wrong :

http://www.foreignborn.com/visas_imm/immig...green_cards.htm

Will I lose my permanent resident status if I do not renew my Green Card?

No, you will not lose your permanent resident status if you do not renew your Green Card–your permanent resident status will not expire or change. However, you are required by law to carry evidence of your status/registration (e.g. a valid, unexpired Green Card or the temporary proof of status you receive at the time of filing to renew your Green Card.)

What will happen if I do not renew my expiring Green Card?

If you fail to renew your expiring card, you may experience difficulties in obtaining employment, benefits and re-entry into the United States from abroad.

Edited March 15, 2008 by iansig40

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Thank you, yes, I didn't think it had been enacted although it had been discussed. Sometimes those in government seats seem to suffer from paranoia!

Also another correction - you currently require a passport to enter Canada by air, but a US or Canadian citizen does not require a passport to enter Canada by land. It was originally set to be required in Jan, 2008 and was then extended to June 2008 and has now been extended to at least June 2009. You do require a birth certificate, though, to prove your US or Canadian citizenship as well as some sort of government issued proof of your residency (ie. driver's license). That came into force in January 2008.

Edited March 16, 2008 by Kathryn41

[NickD 202]

What will happen if I do not renew my expiring Green Card?

If you fail to renew your expiring card, you may experience difficulties in obtaining employment, benefits and re-entry into the United States from abroad.

I stand corrected on the spouse signing the I-751, confused that with the N-400. But without a job, no drivers license, no aid or charity either governmental or private due to the I-864, doesn't sound like a very bright future. How would one eat?