Dream Turns Nightmare: Milwaukee Police Officer to Be Deported

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I think this is a big difference I have found between the UK and the USA

We in the UK are more forgiving, more likely to overlook 'small' things such as this. He was and probably is a good cop so let him carry on is what I say. It's really not his fault that once he realised his dream, that his parents sent it crashing down with their information.

Give him his citizenship, after all the USA is all he has known, how is he supposed to make a new life in Mexico, a country he left at 9 years old?

(Maggie now goes and hides under the table waiting for the onslaught )

Well said, Maggie. I'd like to believe that the U.S. is also that way....forgiving and reasonable, but we've got some legal zealots here who are insane over immigration issues. It still makes me shake my head in disbelief, but what can you do...they're as immoveable as a block of cement.

[natty bumppo 297]

I think this is a big difference I have found between the UK and the USA

We in the UK are more forgiving, more likely to overlook 'small' things such as this. He was and probably is a good cop so let him carry on is what I say. It's really not his fault that once he realised his dream, that his parents sent it crashing down with their information.Give him his citizenship, after all the USA is all he has known, how is he supposed to make a new life in Mexico, a country he left at 9 years old?

(Maggie now goes and hides under the table waiting for the onslaught )

Well said, Maggie. I'd like to believe that the U.S. is also that way....forgiving and reasonable, but we've got some legal zealots here who are insane over immigration issues. It still makes me shake my head in disbelief, but what can you do...they're as immoveable as a block of cement.

He knew about his illegal status and the willfull identity theft/fraud before he attempted to realize this "dream" of being a cop. Please re-read the OP.

New life in his home country ... he speaks the language and he already has job offers. Again ... please re-read the OP.

With a person like this in LE ... anything he does in a legal status can quickly be called into question as he has already proven he will lie for personal gain.

[mustang-sally 8]

I think this is a big difference I have found between the UK and the USA

We in the UK are more forgiving, more likely to overlook 'small' things such as this. He was and probably is a good cop so let him carry on is what I say. It's really not his fault that once he realised his dream, that his parents sent it crashing down with their information.

Give him his citizenship, after all the USA is all he has known, how is he supposed to make a new life in Mexico, a country he left at 9 years old?

(Maggie now goes and hides under the table waiting for the onslaught )

I'm not so sure the quality of 'overlooking' something of this magnitude is something that could be seen as a good thing. While it's true that the man did not have anything to do with him being brought here at a young age, he did have something to do with the identity theft. Moreover, he was the one who chose to apply to the police dept.....the onus lies with him for that, and cannot be laid at his parents' feet.

If you're a bigamist and marry wife #2, your marriage is not seen as legal because you were not eligible to marry again. This man was never eligible to become a police officer, therefore all his work on the force is not binding. This opens a huuuuuuuuuge can of worms in his area....and imagine the cost to the taxpayers, the victims and families who might see criminals walk free, the overbooked docket, etc, that are all going to come as a result of this man wanting to have his cake and eat it too. One would assume that studying to become a PO teaches one a respect for the law....not a method of cherrypicking what one deems important, so long as it doesn't affect him.

His life in Mexico is irrelevant....what everyone needs to focus on now is the 'damage control' needed for the area in which he 'served'.

I understand your point and do agree up to a certain point.

But this was his dream and to be told at 16 years old that he was illegal but here is a "solution" he did what a lot of 16 year olds would do and went with his parents suggestion. After a few years he may have thought about it but by then he was in too deep to back out. He was highly unlikely at 18 years old to go to his superiors to admit the truth, he would know by then that he would be deported and maybe even prosecuted. He was in a 'catch 22' situation. Damned if I do, damned if I dont.

I say let him stay, give him his green card, let bygones be bygones.

[natty bumppo 297]

I think this is a big difference I have found between the UK and the USA

We in the UK are more forgiving, more likely to overlook 'small' things such as this. He was and probably is a good cop so let him carry on is what I say. It's really not his fault that once he realised his dream, that his parents sent it crashing down with their information.

Give him his citizenship, after all the USA is all he has known, how is he supposed to make a new life in Mexico, a country he left at 9 years old?

(Maggie now goes and hides under the table waiting for the onslaught )

I'm not so sure the quality of 'overlooking' something of this magnitude is something that could be seen as a good thing. While it's true that the man did not have anything to do with him being brought here at a young age, he did have something to do with the identity theft. Moreover, he was the one who chose to apply to the police dept.....the onus lies with him for that, and cannot be laid at his parents' feet.

If you're a bigamist and marry wife #2, your marriage is not seen as legal because you were not eligible to marry again. This man was never eligible to become a police officer, therefore all his work on the force is not binding. This opens a huuuuuuuuuge can of worms in his area....and imagine the cost to the taxpayers, the victims and families who might see criminals walk free, the overbooked docket, etc, that are all going to come as a result of this man wanting to have his cake and eat it too. One would assume that studying to become a PO teaches one a respect for the law....not a method of cherrypicking what one deems important, so long as it doesn't affect him.

His life in Mexico is irrelevant....what everyone needs to focus on now is the 'damage control' needed for the area in which he 'served'.

I understand your point and do agree up to a certain point.

But this was his dream and to be told at 16 years old that he was illegal but here is a "solution" he did what a lot of 16 year olds would do and went with his parents suggestion. After a few years he may have thought about it but by then he was in too deep to back out. He was highly unlikely at 18 years old to go to his superiors to admit the truth, he would know by then that he would be deported and maybe even prosecuted. He was in a 'catch 22' situation. Damned if I do, damned if I dont.

I say let him stay, give him his green card, let bygones be bygones.

I say justice was served

As an adult, he always had the option of fixing his wrong. He and his parents altered his life as a minor. He was legally able to take corrective action as an adult ... he didn't. He had free will once he turned 18 ... and he chose poorly for the 7 years as an adult.

Question ... Do you really think he worked as a LEO before turning 18?

[Fandango 1,439]

I think this is a big difference I have found between the UK and the USA

We in the UK are more forgiving, more likely to overlook 'small' things such as this. He was and probably is a good cop so let him carry on is what I say. It's really not his fault that once he realised his dream, that his parents sent it crashing down with their information.

Give him his citizenship, after all the USA is all he has known, how is he supposed to make a new life in Mexico, a country he left at 9 years old?

(Maggie now goes and hides under the table waiting for the onslaught )

I'm not so sure the quality of 'overlooking' something of this magnitude is something that could be seen as a good thing. While it's true that the man did not have anything to do with him being brought here at a young age, he did have something to do with the identity theft. Moreover, he was the one who chose to apply to the police dept.....the onus lies with him for that, and cannot be laid at his parents' feet.

If you're a bigamist and marry wife #2, your marriage is not seen as legal because you were not eligible to marry again. This man was never eligible to become a police officer, therefore all his work on the force is not binding. This opens a huuuuuuuuuge can of worms in his area....and imagine the cost to the taxpayers, the victims and families who might see criminals walk free, the overbooked docket, etc, that are all going to come as a result of this man wanting to have his cake and eat it too. One would assume that studying to become a PO teaches one a respect for the law....not a method of cherrypicking what one deems important, so long as it doesn't affect him.

His life in Mexico is irrelevant....what everyone needs to focus on now is the 'damage control' needed for the area in which he 'served'.

I understand your point and do agree up to a certain point.

But this was his dream and to be told at 16 years old that he was illegal but here is a "solution" he did what a lot of 16 year olds would do and went with his parents suggestion. After a few years he may have thought about it but by then he was in too deep to back out. He was highly unlikely at 18 years old to go to his superiors to admit the truth, he would know by then that he would be deported and maybe even prosecuted. He was in a 'catch 22' situation. Damned if I do, damned if I dont.

I say let him stay, give him his green card, let bygones be bygones.

No, he was not damned if he did and damned if he didn't. He knew what he was doing, and did it without regard to the law. And he was sworn into the force 2 years ago, which would make him 23 at the time...hardly just a child. He knew what he was doing, and didn't think that doing it the legal way was the 'best option'.

He unfortunately made his bed, and now must lie in it.

(emphasis mine):

The next day, he said, his father told him the truth. He could not pursue law enforcement. He could even be deported. “From one moment to the next,” Mr. Ayala-Cornejo said, “all my dreams and hopes are kind of out the window.”

Mr. Ayala-Cornejo could have ultimately gained legal status because his brother was born in the United States, but it would have taken a decade or more, his lawyer says, and he would have had to leave his family in the meantime and return to Mexico.

His father, Mr. Ayala-Cornejo said, came up with a solution: A cousin in Illinois had a son, Jose A. Morales, a United States citizen who had died of leukemia in Mexico. He and Mr. Ayala-Cornejo would have been about the same age, and the family offered to turn over Jose’s birth certificate and Social Security number so Mr. Ayala-Cornejo could realize his dream.

“I didn’t hesitate,” he said. “I was like, ‘O.K., if that’s the best option, then I’ll go for it, because I don’t want to be separated from my family.’ ”

So at age 16, Mr. Ayala-Cornejo switched high schools, registering under his new name. He cut his hair and, abandoning his eyeglasses, started wearing contact lenses. In public, he referred to his mother and father as his aunt and uncle, and he called his siblings cousins. “In a way, I became Jose,” he said, “because I knew there was no going back.”

After high school, he joined the police apprenticeship program in 2001. In May 2005, he was sworn in as Police Officer Jose A. Morales,

[desert_fox 32]

Terrible.

Yeah, let's celebrate the injustice of our immigration laws as they are applied in this case as if they rule supreme law. In fact, let's celebrate all laws, no matter how small or strange because laws are laws and we should bow down before them since whoever makes such laws are above making a law that could be applied unjustly.

Give up now. That argument is beyond too many people. In fact, if anything, these people prove why we need laws: some people can't find north on their moral compass without a little help from an authority.

It's like Gupt said the other day, elements of fascism are brewing in this country. Just the idea that all our laws reign supreme and are above reproach is one of core traits of fascism...dogma.

When law is made thru the elected legislature, and ruled upon by independent courts, and obeyed and enforced by the executive dept....is called DEMOCRACY and not fascism. When laws can be bent, changed at the will of some official...is called CORRUPTION. Dictators like Hitler and Mussolini bent the laws at will to satisfy their own sick agendas....this is called FASCISM.

[sunandmoon 450]

I think this is a big difference I have found between the UK and the USA

We in the UK are more forgiving, more likely to overlook 'small' things such as this. He was and probably is a good cop so let him carry on is what I say. It's really not his fault that once he realised his dream, that his parents sent it crashing down with their information.

Give him his citizenship, after all the USA is all he has known, how is he supposed to make a new life in Mexico, a country he left at 9 years old?

(Maggie now goes and hides under the table waiting for the onslaught )

I'm not so sure the quality of 'overlooking' something of this magnitude is something that could be seen as a good thing. While it's true that the man did not have anything to do with him being brought here at a young age, he did have something to do with the identity theft. Moreover, he was the one who chose to apply to the police dept.....the onus lies with him for that, and cannot be laid at his parents' feet.

If you're a bigamist and marry wife #2, your marriage is not seen as legal because you were not eligible to marry again. This man was never eligible to become a police officer, therefore all his work on the force is not binding. This opens a huuuuuuuuuge can of worms in his area....and imagine the cost to the taxpayers, the victims and families who might see criminals walk free, the overbooked docket, etc, that are all going to come as a result of this man wanting to have his cake and eat it too. One would assume that studying to become a PO teaches one a respect for the law....not a method of cherrypicking what one deems important, so long as it doesn't affect him.

His life in Mexico is irrelevant....what everyone needs to focus on now is the 'damage control' needed for the area in which he 'served'.

I understand your point and do agree up to a certain point.

But this was his dream and to be told at 16 years old that he was illegal but here is a "solution" he did what a lot of 16 year olds would do and went with his parents suggestion. After a few years he may have thought about it but by then he was in too deep to back out. He was highly unlikely at 18 years old to go to his superiors to admit the truth, he would know by then that he would be deported and maybe even prosecuted. He was in a 'catch 22' situation. Damned if I do, damned if I dont.

I say let him stay, give him his green card, let bygones be bygones.

without getting into the legal or moral aspects of this issue, I wonder how many of us at age 16 had to make a life changing decision. If I was in his situation, I might have done the same thing.

[Fandango 1,439]

What I truly don't understand is how illegals somehow get this 'no responsibility for your actions' pass. Oh, so the guy WANTED to be a cop, and he WANTED to stay with his family...well guess what? That was not legally feasible. We can slice it six ways from Sunday, but them's the facts. We cannot allow our private wants to supersede the public's NEED for law and order. What if I have a sob story to justify robbing a bank? Would my poverty somehow make ppl say 'aww give him a pass! bygones!' (Maggie, I'm not picking on you here btw)....Where is this flow chart of a sliding scale of who gets away with what?

The law is not selective.

I find it so curious because there's another thread here about teaching a 9 year old that there are 'consequences to her actions' in opening a Christmas prezzie and lying about it. How in the world is this considered equal treatment under the law if we have to teach a 9 year old about consequences, yet illegals shouldn't have to???

Edited December 23, 2007 by LisaD

[DavidsPrincess 1]

Add this to the list of reasons I don't live in the UK

I don't believe he should get his green card after years of identity fraud and illegal status in this country. He may not have been responsible for coming here, but he was responsible for leaving once he reached a certain age. He can blame his parents for his situation but not for his actions. I'm a firm believer of "you reap what you sew." And I do believe law enforcement did things correctly in this situation. Now lets crack down on the other 12 million

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Terrible.

Yeah, let's celebrate the injustice of our immigration laws as they are applied in this case as if they rule supreme law. In fact, let's celebrate all laws, no matter how small or strange because laws are laws and we should bow down before them since whoever makes such laws are above making a law that could be applied unjustly.

Give up now. That argument is beyond too many people. In fact, if anything, these people prove why we need laws: some people can't find north on their moral compass without a little help from an authority.

It's like Gupt said the other day, elements of fascism are brewing in this country. Just the idea that all our laws reign supreme and are above reproach is one of core traits of fascism...dogma.

When law is made thru the elected legislature, and ruled upon by independent courts, and obeyed and enforced by the executive dept....is called DEMOCRACY and not fascism. When laws can be bent, changed at the will of some official...is called CORRUPTION. Dictators like Hitler and Mussolini bent the laws at will to satisfy their own sick agendas....this is called FASCISM.

Application of law requires a justice system ....because you can't take laws for face value and apply them to all circumstances and still achieve justice. Fascism is when one adheres to laws as supreme and any deviation from those laws as intolerable.

"A free and open society is an ongoing conflict, interrupted periodically by compromises." ~ Saul Alinsky

"Communism and fascism or nazism, although poles apart in their intellectual content, are similar in this, that both have emotional appeal to the type of personality that takes pleasure in being submerged in a mass movement and submitting to superior authority." ~ James A. C. Brown

"Nobody these days holds the written word in such high esteem as police states do..." ~ Italo Calvino

[Fandango 1,439]

Application of law requires a justice system ....because you can't take laws for face value and apply them to all circumstances and still achieve justice. Fascism is when one adheres to laws as supreme and any deviation from those laws as intolerable.

"A free and open society is an ongoing conflict, interrupted periodically by compromises." ~ Saul Alinsky

"Communism and fascism or nazism, although poles apart in their intellectual content, are similar in this, that both have emotional appeal to the type of personality that takes pleasure in being submerged in a mass movement and submitting to superior authority." ~ James A. C. Brown

"Nobody these days holds the written word in such high esteem as police states do..." ~ Italo Calvino

A fair justice system also requires cops that are not breaking the law themselves.

Here's a thought: start chipping in towards the boatloads of money it's going to cost taxpayers in the upcoming $hitstorm from this guy's actions.

[desert_fox 32]

Application of law requires a justice system ....because you can't take laws for face value and apply them to all circumstances and still achieve justice. Fascism is when one adheres to laws as supreme and any deviation from those laws as intolerable.

"

We have such a Justice system. If you dont think that the law applies to you, the courts rule in your case. You can even appeal it. The cases are decided by interpretation of the law and previous precendents...that is called justice.

Even some Senator offered to sponser a private bill for this guy, but never got to the floor, as senators would not support a private bill that was for relief a circumstances caused by his 9wn fradulent behavior.

[peejay 327]

When law is made thru the elected legislature, and ruled upon by independent courts, and obeyed and enforced by the executive dept....is called DEMOCRACY and not fascism. When laws can be bent, changed at the will of some official...is called CORRUPTION. Dictators like Hitler and Mussolini bent the laws at will to satisfy their own sick agendas....this is called FASCISM.

I totally agree.

12 to 20 million illegal aliens didn't get here and get entrenched here by accident. It was and is being accomplished through massive institutional corruption in American businesses and government.

We can either decide if we wish to be ruled or governed. Or whether we wish to live in an oligarchy or a democracy.

Who here voted in favor of mass illegal immigration? I sure as hell didn't nor did the rest of America. We woke up to the fact after it was imposed on us.

[mustang-sally 8]

What I truly don't understand is how illegals somehow get this 'no responsibility for your actions' pass. Oh, so the guy WANTED to be a cop, and he WANTED to stay with his family...well guess what? That was not legally feasible. We can slice it six ways from Sunday, but them's the facts. We cannot allow our private wants to supersede the public's NEED for law and order. What if I have a sob story to justify robbing a bank? Would my poverty somehow make ppl say 'aww give him a pass! bygones!' (Maggie, I'm not picking on you here btw)....Where is this flow chart of a sliding scale of who gets away with what?

The law is not selective.

I find it so curious because there's another thread here about teaching a 9 year old that there are 'consequences to her actions' in opening a Christmas prezzie and lying about it. How in the world is this considered equal treatment under the law if we have to teach a 9 year old about consequences, yet illegals shouldn't have to???

My thoughts are how many illegals are in this position? I know a lot of illegals take menial jobs (their choice or not, I'm not arguing with).

I have also read recently that a lot of security jobs in the USA are being taken by illegals (again this might be speculation, I can't find proof one way or the other).

I read the thread about the 9 year old but when it comes to 'life' decisions can anyone under 16 really do that and if they try and parents influence them would the say "Hey, I'm illegal. Mum, Dad I can't do that. I must go back to my home country and try even if it takes 10 years"

I know that at 16 even though I was a bit of a rebel, I still listened to my parents. If they offered a solution, illegal or not, to my career choice , then I would of followed it. Maybe years later I might of questioned it but whether I would do anything about it would depend on how deep I was in it.

[GaryC 7]

Terrible.

Yeah, let's celebrate the injustice of our immigration laws as they are applied in this case as if they rule supreme law. In fact, let's celebrate all laws, no matter how small or strange because laws are laws and we should bow down before them since whoever makes such laws are above making a law that could be applied unjustly.

Give up now. That argument is beyond too many people. In fact, if anything, these people prove why we need laws: some people can't find north on their moral compass without a little help from an authority.

It's like Gupt said the other day, elements of fascism are brewing in this country. Just the idea that all our laws reign supreme and are above reproach is one of core traits of fascism...dogma.

When law is made thru the elected legislature, and ruled upon by independent courts, and obeyed and enforced by the executive dept....is called DEMOCRACY and not fascism. When laws can be bent, changed at the will of some official...is called CORRUPTION. Dictators like Hitler and Mussolini bent the laws at will to satisfy their own sick agendas....this is called FASCISM.

Application of law requires a justice system ....because you can't take laws for face value and apply them to all circumstances and still achieve justice. Fascism is when one adheres to laws as supreme and any deviation from those laws as intolerable.

"A free and open society is an ongoing conflict, interrupted periodically by compromises." ~ Saul Alinsky

"Communism and fascism or nazism, although poles apart in their intellectual content, are similar in this, that both have emotional appeal to the type of personality that takes pleasure in being submerged in a mass movement and submitting to superior authority." ~ James A. C. Brown

"Nobody these days holds the written word in such high esteem as police states do..." ~ Italo Calvino

Quotes by like minded people does not make an argument. But if that is what you want to do I have another quote for you. Try this one:

Let me not be understood as saying that there are no bad laws, nor that grievances may not arise for the redress of which no legal provisions have been made. I mean to say no such thing. But I do mean to say that although bad laws, if they exist, should be repealed as soon as possible, still, while they continue in force, for the sake of example they should be religiously observed.

Abraham Lincoln

16th president of US (1809 - 1865)