Dream Turns Nightmare: Milwaukee Police Officer to Be Deported

[Craneman 2]

We have gone from stealing a dead realatives ID to obtain a government job, to him stealing the ID to hide to protect his life.

I miss the connection, or the relavance.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Let me demonstrate: Under what circumstances would you find it excusable that I move into your home w/o asking your permission?

I can think of a few.

Please share ....

If someone's life was threatened and they had to hide in the house to avoid getting killed.

As much as I hate people, I still wouldn't send a person out to die.

Believe it or not, some come illegally to the US to avoid getting killed. Sometimes political asylum cases take a little too long to process at US Embassies abroad. In that case, your example is logic for those avoiding death at home by migrating illegally to the US...

Can you spell "reach"? I mean such scenario most certainly isn't representative of the issue we're talking about. And for those where that is the case, again, being afforded due process - whcih every last one of them is - is a truly wonderful thing.

[NavarreMan 10]

Let me demonstrate: Under what circumstances would you find it excusable that I move into your home w/o asking your permission?

I can think of a few.

Please share ....

If someone's life was threatened and they had to hide in the house to avoid getting killed.

As much as I hate people, I still wouldn't send a person out to die.

Believe it or not, some come illegally to the US to avoid getting killed. Sometimes political asylum cases take a little too long to process at US Embassies abroad. In that case, your example is logic for those avoiding death at home by migrating illegally to the US...

Please do share exactly who these people are who come to the US to avoid being killed. And fill us in on why their life was threatened. Why the US? Why not another neighboring country if that be the case?

As for the home invasion, I will do what I can for any person who seeks refuge in my home as a safe haven of first or last resort. I will use all weapons at my disposal to defend this person from whatever immediate threat exists while I contact LE to handle the issue. But I make this decision. If people decide to invade my home and I am in it, then woe betide those individuals.

The difference is obvious: one commits B&E to protect oneself and the other commits B&E in the course of commiting criminal activities. One offensive and one defensive. Huge difference. No gray area. Apples and oranges.

With that in mind, under no circumstances would I find it allowable for you to move into my home without my permission. And in the State of Florida and in my home, your relatives will defend your actions in court!

But getting back on topic... first you determine if an unlawful/illegal act has been committed, then you prosecute the case, then, and only then, you pronounce sentence based on the circumstances if a conviction so warrants.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Let me demonstrate: Under what circumstances would you find it excusable that I move into your home w/o asking your permission?

I can think of a few.

Please share ....

If someone's life was threatened and they had to hide in the house to avoid getting killed.

As much as I hate people, I still wouldn't send a person out to die.

Believe it or not, some come illegally to the US to avoid getting killed. Sometimes political asylum cases take a little too long to process at US Embassies abroad. In that case, your example is logic for those avoiding death at home by migrating illegally to the US...

Please do share exactly who these people are who come to the US to avoid being killed. And fill us in on why their life was threatened. Why the US? Why not another neighboring country if that be the case?

As for the home invasion, I will do what I can for any person who seeks refuge in my home as a safe haven of first or last resort. I will use all weapons at my disposal to defend this person from whatever immediate threat exists while I contact LE to handle the issue. But I make this decision. If people decide to invade my home and I am in it, then woe betide those individuals.

The difference is obvious: one commits B&E to protect oneself and the other commits B&E in the course of commiting criminal activities. One offensive and one defensive. Huge difference. No gray area. Apples and oranges.

With that in mind, under no circumstances would I find it allowable for you to move into my home without my permission. And in the State of Florida and in my home, your relatives will defend your actions in court!

But getting back on topic... first you determine if an unlawful/illegal act has been committed, then you prosecute the case, then, and only then, you pronounce sentence based on the circumstances if a conviction so warrants.

One problem with maviwaro's post is that refugee/asylum seeking is entirely tangential to the Milwaukee case.

Yes, there are people who come in to escape being persecuted/killed (or who claim this, AFTER they are already in US--involves some paperwork obviously).

Edited December 24, 2007 by CherryXS

[HAL 9000 96]

We have gone from stealing a dead realatives ID to obtain a government job, to him stealing the ID to hide to protect his life.

I miss the connection, or the relavance.

Responding to an example, as its clearly written previously.

[HAL 9000 96]

Let me demonstrate: Under what circumstances would you find it excusable that I move into your home w/o asking your permission?

I can think of a few.

Please share ....

If someone's life was threatened and they had to hide in the house to avoid getting killed.

As much as I hate people, I still wouldn't send a person out to die.

Believe it or not, some come illegally to the US to avoid getting killed. Sometimes political asylum cases take a little too long to process at US Embassies abroad. In that case, your example is logic for those avoiding death at home by migrating illegally to the US...

Can you spell "reach"? I mean such scenario most certainly isn't representative of the issue we're talking about. And for those where that is the case, again, being afforded due process - whcih every last one of them is - is a truly wonderful thing.

Yes, that's why this is a bump.

My uncle in Miami happens to be an asylum case rep for USCIS. A very fair man that actually listens to the circumstances brought to him... then its onward to the judge. Most cases do not get approved (no surprise there... many people will try just about anything for a better life).

[natty bumppo 297]

Let me demonstrate: Under what circumstances would you find it excusable that I move into your home w/o asking your permission?

I can think of a few.

Please share ....

If someone's life was threatened and they had to hide in the house to avoid getting killed.

As much as I hate people, I still wouldn't send a person out to die.

Believe it or not, some come illegally to the US to avoid getting killed. Sometimes political asylum cases take a little too long to process at US Embassies abroad. In that case, your example is logic for those avoiding death at home by migrating illegally to the US...

Can you spell "reach"? I mean such scenario most certainly isn't representative of the issue we're talking about. And for those where that is the case, again, being afforded due process - whcih every last one of them is - is a truly wonderful thing.

Yes, that's why this is a bump.

My uncle in Miami happens to be an asylum case rep for USCIS. A very fair man that actually listens to the circumstances brought to him... then its onward to the judge. Most cases do not get approved (no surprise there... many people will try just about anything for a better life).

And in the process ... making it much more difficult for those who truly need asylum ... to be granted such.

[HAL 9000 96]

Let me demonstrate: Under what circumstances would you find it excusable that I move into your home w/o asking your permission?

I can think of a few.

Please share ....

If someone's life was threatened and they had to hide in the house to avoid getting killed.

As much as I hate people, I still wouldn't send a person out to die.

Believe it or not, some come illegally to the US to avoid getting killed. Sometimes political asylum cases take a little too long to process at US Embassies abroad. In that case, your example is logic for those avoiding death at home by migrating illegally to the US...

Can you spell "reach"? I mean such scenario most certainly isn't representative of the issue we're talking about. And for those where that is the case, again, being afforded due process - whcih every last one of them is - is a truly wonderful thing.

Yes, that's why this is a bump.

My uncle in Miami happens to be an asylum case rep for USCIS. A very fair man that actually listens to the circumstances brought to him... then its onward to the judge. Most cases do not get approved (no surprise there... many people will try just about anything for a better life).

And in the process ... making it much more difficult for those who truly need asylum ... to be granted such.

This is why there's due process.

Its all about convincing someone to let you stay.

Kind of like trying to talk your way sometimes out of a speeding ticket.

Merry Christmas to all. Even our illegal friends.

[vbtbmrt 2]

well he didnt steal the id of a dead realitive it was given to him from uncle so he could become a police officer. i dont know but i dont think nothing happened to the uncle that gave him the id to use also his brother was fired but then reinstated for lieing about who his brother was, i dont think his brother should of gotten his job back and his uncle should of gone to jail for helping in the fraud. just means it really dont matter what anyone does someone will get rewarded for harboring illegals. all anyone is asking is to follow the same rules as everyone else not everyone can pick and choose what laws they want to follow and what ones they dont.

[Peikko 1,575]

Actually, I believe many people do infact make choices about laws they don't like to follow, speed limit anyone?

[natty bumppo 297]

Actually, I believe many people do infact make choices about laws they don't like to follow, speed limit anyone?

Apples .. Oranges.

And when caught ... welcome to the CJ System

Once convicted ... not only does the local Gov't get a piece out of you ... so does your insurance company.

[NavarreMan 10]

Actually, I believe many people do infact make choices about laws they don't like to follow, speed limit anyone?

Absolutely guilty. But when caught I do not cry foul. I pay the price and press on. I have never claimed that because my father was a speeder then I am a speeder and therefore should be let off.

Follow the rules or be prepared to pay the piper. And I certainly do not blame the "fascist" cops.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Actually, I believe many people do infact make choices about laws they don't like to follow, speed limit anyone?

Indeed. And then we bear the consequences when it comes to light. Not like anyone starting pour out sob stories as to why one was speeding. And even if, the odds are, you'll still get your ticket. Due process. That's how it works.

[HAL 9000 96]

Actually, I believe many people do infact make choices about laws they don't like to follow, speed limit anyone?

Apples .. Oranges.

And when caught ... welcome to the CJ System

Once convicted ... not only does the local Gov't get a piece out of you ... so does your insurance company.

Why is the comparison so far off?

Its a law, its broken, and there are consequences. People continue to choose to break the law, however. AND, they risk killing others in the process. Matter of fact, comparing the risks involved with speeding with illegal immigration, more people per capita are put at physical and financia risk of harm than the US Population suffers from illegals.

[natty bumppo 297]

Actually, I believe many people do infact make choices about laws they don't like to follow, speed limit anyone?

Apples .. Oranges.

And when caught ... welcome to the CJ System

Once convicted ... not only does the local Gov't get a piece out of you ... so does your insurance company.

Why is the comparison so far off?

Its a law, its broken, and there are consequences. People continue to choose to break the law, however. AND, they risk killing others in the process. Matter of fact, comparing the risks involved with speeding with illegal immigration, more people per capita are put at physical and financia risk of harm than the US Population suffers from illegals.

Again ... apples/ oranges...

A speeding ticket is not an invasion of a foreign country ... does not involve working illegally .... identity fraud/theft .... etc.