Same Sex Marriages

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The laws are that way because the majority of voting Americans want them that way.

True but its arguable as to whether or not those laws are correct, based as they are (almost solely) in religious morality. A couple of centuries ago much of the voting public approved slavery for instance, doesn't mean that it was 'right'.

Broad changes in human reasoning are often reflected in law. Clearly we're not yet ready to stop poking into other people's private business and concede that homosexuality is a valid lifestyle choice.

I think that the laws would be 'right' by definition, as long as they do not violate any constitutional provisions.

Sadly laws regarding slavery were written into the Constitution at that time, but thankfully they have been amended out.

Im sure as cultural values change, ppl one day may look back and say how stupid it was to think the way that we did at the time. But right now...doubtful anything will change soon. Im not sure how much religion has to do with it....in many places yes, in other places I wouldnt think that it is a religious thing.

Isn't the Bush admin still pressing to define marriage within the constitution as a "man-woman" union?

I think the rationale for much of the opposition for same-sex marriage is based in religious ideology, even the so called secular objections. Doesn't have as much to do with location as with state of mind.

[pax 0]

Ewen and I have talked about this a lot, actually, because when he first came over here, I had a gay housemate (who's now living in Amsterdam, FWIW). And as hard as this process can be, at least we have the process; it was an option for us. If my former housemate meets a nice Dutch boy over in Amsterdam and decides that he wants to spend the rest of his life with him, he better hope that his quals are good enough to get him an H1-B, or what have you. Simply being the chosen, committed life partner of a USC doesn't cut it if you're both of the same sex. And I do think that's sad, to say the least.

I've never understood why they're can't be a legal option for persons who feel that they're attracted to or more compatible with persons of the same sex. I've known a fair number of gay people--granted, not tons, but probably more than most Americans who didn't grow up in New York or San Francisco--and I can pretty safely say that I don't think they pose a moral threat to the future of the world. All they want is the same recognition and legal safety that heterosexual married people enjoy. Research has shown that gay people can parent just as effectively as straight people, and all the major medical and psychological organizations in this country support homosexuality in general and the right of homosexuals and homosexual couples to raise children.

I am optimistic, though, that we'll see more and more legal options for gay couples in my lifetime. I think the tide is slowly, but surely, turning.

[Welshcookie 17]

I think the US will be a hard nut to crack on this matter.....

[CarolineM 0]

Wait i'm still confused about those who go through sex changes...

no ideas at all??

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Wait i'm still confused about those who go through sex changes...

no ideas at all??

I'll bet the background check and consular interview for that is real interesting...

[Welshcookie 17]

Wait i'm still confused about those who go through sex changes...

no ideas at all??

well from what I gather ppl who have a sex change cannot change their birth certificates to show the sex they have changed to, it will always show that they were male or female....so I guess that would be a huge stumbling block....??

[CarolineM 0]

i know. I swear that someone posted on VJ once and had a photo...and I SWEAR that the girl used to be a guy...I mean maybe it was just a real masculine girl but he/she looked waaaay tooo much like a man..

couldn't help but wonder how that works.

[I'm Gone 60]

I swear that someone posted on VJ once and had a photo...and I SWEAR that the girl used to be a guy...

I have seen quite a few. LOL

[Welshcookie 17]

I swear that someone posted on VJ once and had a photo...and I SWEAR that the girl used to be a guy...

I have seen quite a few. LOL

[almaty 19]

1st of all i am with sister lisa on this..i support gay marriage and have no issue..live and let live..as far as sex change it would be allowed...i ran a program awhile back in missouri and had a lady with a deep voice and a foot size 13 male..and she reported yes, she was once a male..the women in this rehab program were nervous about ther sharing a room..the state ruling according to them, based on the feds was..she was indded a woman and recognized per gender change by the feds and the state..

Edited April 20, 2006 by almaty2004

[Kajikit 65]

This discussion has been had many times before... and I agree with you that it's a tragedy that committed couples can't be together just becuase they don't have the standard ratio of danglybits... but as people pointed out before they could make a gay marriage visa they'd first have to legally recognise gay marriage and I'm sure we'll see piggies flying across the sky en masse before the conservatives ever agree to that

The 'good' thing is that the US is going to end up being the only western country in the world to refuse to recognise said relationships... so the US partner can always go there - Canada and the UK and Australia and some of the European countries all recognise domestic partners and de-facto relationships as being valid for immigration purposes. It's just the US that sticks their heads in the sand...

[Welshcookie 17]

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If you have changed your gender and obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate (from 4th April 2005)

If you are at least 18 years of age and have gender dysphoria and have been living in your acquired gender for at least two years, you can apply to the Gender Recognition Panel for a Gender Recognition Certificate, which will enable you to obtain a new birth certificate showing your new gender and name. The new birth certificate can be used as documentary evidence of your change of name thus avoiding the need for a Deed Poll.

Looks like I was wrong....

[CarolineM 0]

wow.

[Fischkoepfin 1]

Interesting!

[HuffyTheSlayer 22]

You would still be required to have a background change on the name you were born under, though. So I don't know how it would work for US marriage visas.