Same Sex Marriages

[KarenCee 3]

I'm sure some poo will fling too...just as I'm sure religion will be brought into this too.

[blackbettie 0]

I support gay marriage!

Me too!

I have many gay friends and it makes me mad to see with how many disadvantages they still have to struggle.

[CarolineM 0]

To migrate to Australia you can do it with your same sex partner if you've been together long enough such that it is considered a de facto marriage.

I was wondering something along similar lines the other day (while watching the arquette sibling on the Surreal Life). If you are born a man, and have a sex change to be a woman...can you get a K-1 or K-3 for your "changed" sex spouse?

[GaryC 7]

To migrate to Australia you can do it with your same sex partner if you've been together long enough such that it is considered a de facto marriage.

I was wondering something along similar lines the other day (while watching the arquette sibling on the Surreal Life). If you are born a man, and have a sex change to be a woman...can you get a K-1 or K-3 for your "changed" sex spouse?

If you can get your BC changed and can pass the "peek test" at the medical then I don't see how they can know!

[desert_fox 32]

The laws are that way because the majority of voting Americans want them that way.

[mikeize 0]

UK has partner visa's. A friend of ours from Thailand lives with his boyfriend in Wales. It would be really nice if the US would follow suit. I would say that it is no more (or less) open to fraud than current visas.

-mike

[Jenn! 918]

A good American friend of mine lives in Mexico with his partner. I always feel a little bad talking to him about our visa journey, since I know it's not an option for them.

But they love living in Mexico anyway...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The laws are that way because the majority of voting Americans want them that way.

True but its arguable as to whether or not those laws are correct, based as they are (almost solely) in religious morality. A couple of centuries ago much of the voting public approved slavery for instance, doesn't mean that it was 'right'.

Broad changes in human reasoning are often reflected in law. Clearly we're not yet ready to stop poking into other people's private business and concede that homosexuality is a valid lifestyle choice.

[desert_fox 32]

The laws are that way because the majority of voting Americans want them that way.

True but its arguable as to whether or not those laws are correct, based as they are (almost solely) in religious morality. A couple of centuries ago much of the voting public approved slavery for instance, doesn't mean that it was 'right'.

Broad changes in human reasoning are often reflected in law. Clearly we're not yet ready to stop poking into other people's private business and concede that homosexuality is a valid lifestyle choice.

I think that the laws would be 'right' by definition, as long as they do not violate any constitutional provisions.

Sadly laws regarding slavery were written into the Constitution at that time, but thankfully they have been amended out.

Im sure as cultural values change, ppl one day may look back and say how stupid it was to think the way that we did at the time. But right now...doubtful anything will change soon. Im not sure how much religion has to do with it....in many places yes, in other places I wouldnt think that it is a religious thing.

Edited April 20, 2006 by desert_fox

[Fandango 1,440]

I didn't realize the UK had partner visas...that's good. It's not totally acceptable to me, but it's a step in the right direction I suppose....

[I'm Gone 60]

Public Law 104-199

SEC. 2. POWERS RESERVED TO THE STATES.

(a) In General.--Chapter 115 of title 28, United States Code, is amended by adding after section 1738B the following:

``Sec. 1738C. Certain acts, records, and proceedings and the effect

thereof

``No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship.''.

SEC. 3. DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE.

(a) In General.--Chapter 1 of title 1, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

``Sec. 7. Definition of `marriage' and `spouse'

``In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word `marriage' means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word `spouse' refers only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.''.

[Fandango 1,440]

I just want to convey something....whatever this thread turns into...well that's gonna be anyone's guess...and I'm sure that there are people who are going to disagree wildly about laws, religion, etc blah blah blah. But here's the thought I had when I first started this:

How would you feel, separated by countries, by distance...but there were no visas to get in either country because you were a gay couple? If you were still feeling the immense love that we each share for our partners....feeling the frustration of being apart...and not being able to do a damn thing about it.

[Chicken_Little 0]

Another reason I'm proud to be Canadian!

In Canada, same-sex relationships count for immigration.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

I am watching the GLAAD awards right now & I've been thinking....YOu know...this is prolly really stupid, but I have never given a thought to those couples who are separated by two different countries...but who are gay. They have no options like K1, K3 etc. And that makes me sad

I couldn't even imagine feeling the way I feel about David & having my country tell me he can't immigrate cos our love isn't 'right'....it's bad enough for two gay ppl in the same country, but add our difficulties...and it's pretty much impossible.

And that sucks!

Yes. That would stink.

[Jasman0717 9]

Why do I feel a poo-fling fest coming?