Having a baby to show bonafide evidence ?

[C and J 1]

Yellow,

What other evidence was provided to prove your bonafide relationship? If you are hinging all your evidence on a baby between the 2 of you, then I can understand why the CO decided to ask for more.

Did you provide phone bills, proof of visits (passport stamps), photos from visits, proof of talking to each other regularly, affidavits from people who have knowledge that your relationship is bonafide?

[pushbrk 12,884]

I would never even imagine the scenario above to happen. It would be very inhuman. ... Read some of the situations at visajourney and you'll see.

heh...I've been around here a very very long time yellow. I've read quite a bit of the situations here at VJ. And I'm sure there's been more than one American citizen over the years whose been taken to the cleaners just for the green card.

Never have I said that this is what's going on with you, I'm just saying that the COs know it happens all the time, so they're looking for genuine relationships, and a baby is not always evidence of that.

Again, I think there may just be problem with sentence structure but I think "having a baby to show a bona fide relationship" is pretty inhuman. I suspect you had other reasons, like actually wanting a child or children.

[Minya's wife 24]

The very title of the thread is "Having a baby to show bonafide evidence?" and the initial question of the OP is "has anyone in here have a baby just to show proof of bonafide evidence and how did it work out ?"

But then the OP gets upset when someone suggests that having a baby before the visa is issued proves nothing more then that the beneficiary and petitioner had sex? In the future, a more careful choice of words perhaps?

Just because two people had a baby does not mean the beneficiary visa application should immediately be considered as bona-fide and be issued a visa. More is needed to prove the completenes and validity of the relationship.....and in this case proves just that. They see that a baby is involved, have all the information(including DNA results), and it still has not resulted in a visa yet. Rather the consulate's response that "Your case requires additional processing in our office. You do not need to submit further documents. We will contact you when we have finished processing your case" is spot on. They will examine the case, like everyone else's, and once convinced of the "bonafides" of the marriage (the basis of the visa application) they will issue the visa.

Good luck,

-P

Edited December 17, 2007 by Paula&Minya

[Kazan' Tiger 1]

You got that right! There are people, sad as it is, willing to have sex, produce an offspring, solely for the purpose of believing it will secure them a permanent place in America. "Look we had a baby, we are a real couple!" Never mind the fact we can't show anything else that proves us a family.

The very title of the thread is "Having a baby to show bonafide evidence?" and the initial question of the OP is "has anyone in here have a baby just to show proof of bonafide evidence and how did it work out ?"

But then the OP gets upset when someone suggests that having a baby before the visa is issued proves nothing more then that the beneficiary and petitioner had sex? In the future, a more careful choice of words perhaps?

Just because two people had a baby does not mean the beneficiary visa application should immediately be considered as bona-fide and be issued a visa. More is needed to prove the completenes and validity of the relationship.....and in this case proves just that. They see that a baby is involved, have all the information(including DNA results), and it still has not resulted in a visa yet. Rather the consulate's response that "Your case requires additional processing in our office. You do not need to submit further documents. We will contact you when we have finished processing your case" is spot on. They will examine the case, like everyone else's, and once convinced of the "bonafides" of the marriage (the basis of the visa application) they will issue the visa.

Good luck,

-P

[maya62 7]

Wow.

This guy's said it one too many times to pass the smell test with me.

*feelin' sorry for the baby right about now*

Maya

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Yellow,

What other evidence was provided to prove your bonafide relationship? If you are hinging all your evidence on a baby between the 2 of you, then I can understand why the CO decided to ask for more.

Did you provide phone bills, proof of visits (passport stamps), photos from visits, proof of talking to each other regularly, affidavits from people who have knowledge that your relationship is bonafide?

I was about to ask the same thing. Having a child is in no way irrefutable proof of a bona fide relationship; and the instructions for proof are specific enough -- you require documentation like the one mentioned above. Did you provide any of this?

[Aymerlu 3]

The very title of the thread is "Having a baby to show bonafide evidence?" and the initial question of the OP is "has anyone in here have a baby just to show proof of bonafide evidence and how did it work out ?"

But then the OP gets upset when someone suggests that having a baby before the visa is issued proves nothing more then that the beneficiary and petitioner had sex? In the future, a more careful choice of words perhaps?

Just because two people had a baby does not mean the beneficiary visa application should immediately be considered as bona-fide and be issued a visa. More is needed to prove the completenes and validity of the relationship.....and in this case proves just that. They see that a baby is involved, have all the information(including DNA results), and it still has not resulted in a visa yet. Rather the consulate's response that "Your case requires additional processing in our office. You do not need to submit further documents. We will contact you when we have finished processing your case" is spot on. They will examine the case, like everyone else's, and once convinced of the "bonafides" of the marriage (the basis of the visa application) they will issue the visa.

Good luck,

-P

Had 2 kids with my ex........that was a bonafide disaster!!!! Babies really don't prove a relationship....just that there was a relationship for at least 5 minutes

[Caladan 19]

When people are genuine about thier relationship they will do everything to be together. If a couple is facing the "bonafide evidence" requirement then having a baby will sigificiently help, at least, that's what in the mind of people like us.

I have talked to a CO about this matter and she informed me that usually there will not be a problem obtaining a visa once the child gets his DNA tested with a positive result.

The child won't have a problem because he's a USC (once proven) and wouldn't need a visa, just an American passport, if you're a citizen in most cases. If you're a PR, then he's eligible for a visa.That doesn't say anything about the mother's chances.

The baby alone doesn't prove anything. If you have a child together, certainly bring the birth certificate, but I can't think of a case where the CO said "Well, your case looks great, and you would have been approved had you two had a child together."

If you're looking for more evidence, think plane tickets, pictures, e-mail, phone calls, pictures with family, affadavits from friends, not a pregnancy test.

Edited to clarify.

Edited December 17, 2007 by Caladan

[Sprailenes 47]

God just think of the names you could come up with for that kid. lol.

[JVKn'CVO 11]

Is this still going on?

My husband and I have 1 dog and 2 cats together, I wonder if that's enough bonafide evidence?

Yellow, the truth is, the CO will look at the case as a whole, he can't base the desicion solely on the fact that you have a kid together. The fact that you have ongoing comunication, 5 trips together, AAAAND a child born to the marriage, will all certainly help. But every case is unique and no one can predict the outcome of an interview, specially the VJ community since we only know a small portion of what the CO will know. You'll have to wait for their answer, and all we say...is speculation.

Saludos,

Caro

[kalina 0]

I have my interview for K3/K4 visa at the embassy in October. I know my husband for 3 years and we have 1 year old baby. When I went to the interview I brought with me many photos where we have been together and from the wedding. The CO refused to take them. He said he didn't need them because it is pretty clear that our marriage is real because we have a child. They didn't ask me questions to verify our relationship. We received our visas. It is my personal experience. They even didn't take my evidences. We never made DNA test.

When we sent our I 130 one of the requirements was to enclose documents proving family relationship. One of this documents is "Birth certificate(s) of child(ren) born to you, the petitioner, and your spouse together". We enclosed only Birth certificate and everything was o.k.

Frankly speaking I don't believe that somebody will have a child only for immigration purposes. For me it is not serious to think that having a child is a proof that you have only sexual relationship with this woman/man. Hope that most families have children after serious relationship.

[pushbrk 12,884]

I have my interview for K3/K4 visa at the embassy in October. I know my husband for 3 years and we have 1 year old baby. When I went to the interview I brought with me many photos where we have been together and from the wedding. The CO refused to take them. He said he didn't need them because it is pretty clear that our marriage is real because we have a child. They didn't ask me questions to verify our relationship. We received our visas. It is my personal experience. They even didn't take my evidences. We never made DNA test.

When we sent our I 130 one of the requirements was to enclose documents proving family relationship. One of this documents is "Birth certificate(s) of child(ren) born to you, the petitioner, and your spouse together". We enclosed only Birth certificate and everything was o.k.

Frankly speaking I don't believe that somebody will have a child only for immigration purposes. For me it is not serious to think that having a child is a proof that you have only sexual relationship with this woman/man. Hope that most families have children after serious relationship.

Evidences you had that the OP doesn't have are a "Marriage Certificate" and the fact that your child was a US Citizen born to a married couple.

The OP and his fiance are not married and no mention is made of having secured a US passport for the child. Bulgaria is also not Vietnam. Big difference in fraud level and Consulate procedures.

[Kazan' Tiger 1]

Evidences you had that the OP doesn't have are a "Marriage Certificate" and the fact that your child was a US Citizen born to a married couple.

The OP and his fiance are not married and no mention is made of having secured a US passport for the child. Bulgaria is also not Vietnam. Big difference in fraud level and Consulate procedures.

Edited December 18, 2007 by Kazan' Tiger

[pushbrk 12,884]

I have my interview for K3/K4 visa at the embassy in October. I know my husband for 3 years and we have 1 year old baby. When I went to the interview I brought with me many photos where we have been together and from the wedding. The CO refused to take them. He said he didn't need them because it is pretty clear that our marriage is real because we have a child. They didn't ask me questions to verify our relationship. We received our visas. It is my personal experience. They even didn't take my evidences. We never made DNA test.

When we sent our I 130 one of the requirements was to enclose documents proving family relationship. One of this documents is "Birth certificate(s) of child(ren) born to you, the petitioner, and your spouse together". We enclosed only Birth certificate and everything was o.k.

Frankly speaking I don't believe that somebody will have a child only for immigration purposes. For me it is not serious to think that having a child is a proof that you have only sexual relationship with this woman/man. Hope that most families have children after serious relationship.

Evidences you had that the OP doesn't have are a "Marriage Certificate" and the fact that your child was a US Citizen born to a married couple.

The OP and his fiance are not married and no mention is made of having secured a US passport for the child. Bulgaria is also not Vietnam. Big difference in fraud level and Consulate procedures.

Oops. They would have a marriage certificate. In the OP's case, the fact that they asked for a DNA test indicates some doubt had been present. We have no clue as to the reason for that, unless the couple thought the kid was all they needed for evidence of bona fides.

Edited December 18, 2007 by pushbrk

[JVKn'CVO 11]

Oops. They would have a marriage certificate. In the OP's case, the fact that they asked for a DNA test indicates some doubt had been present. We have no clue as to the reason for that, unless the couple thought the kid was all they needed for evidence of bona fides.

I'm confused too, the OP says they had a K3 interview and calls the non usc "his wife", but the profile says they are applying for K1 and the signature only mentions the filing of I-129F

Saludos,

Caro