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[Jaseball 0]

Jaseball, I think you live in the wrong country. What you are advocating is truly barbaric.

Please spare me. What is truly barbaric is a criminal violating a victim and changing the lives of all the people who are connected to that person forever.

I am saying that after a criminal gets a fair trial, if they are found guilty, then we cut short the appeals and have 2/3 judges affirm the judgment and carry out the execution in a timely manner. Just as the accused has the right to a speedy trial I feel the victim's families have a right to a speedy resolution.

The fact that we grant criminals more rights and time than the victims and their loved ones is what is barbaric and ### backwards in this country.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Eh. It may be a deterrent, though it's worth noting that the crime rate hasn't skyrocketed in countries without the death penalty, and that there have been a lot of people released from death row who were found to be innocent.

Re: deterrence I dunno - there was plenty of commentary on those studies in the old thread. Its far from a clear-cut case, and there are methodological problems with them (like taking regional observations and extrapolating them nationwide).

Still as you say - the fact that the justice system can and often does get it wrong is reason enough to be concerned - pushing "quick solutions", rather than "right" solutions.

[Jaseball 0]

Thank god we don't let people who think like Jaseball make important decisions!

Thank god that if I were a sociopath and career criminal I would have people like you fighting for my right to live while I lounge around in jail and laugh at you and the people I hurt.

Also, you don't know who I am or what access I have to 'important decisions,' so either attack my points or continue with the attempted snide remarks.

[Peikko 1,575]

Honestly, it must be nice to live in the simple black/white world that you and Charles appear to inhabit, well at least uncomplicated.

[Dan J 277]

Jaseball, I think you live in the wrong country. What you are advocating is truly barbaric.

Please spare me. What is truly barbaric is a criminal violating a victim and changing the lives of all the people who are connected to that person forever.

I am saying that after a criminal gets a fair trial, if they are found guilty, then we cut short the appeals and have 2/3 judges affirm the judgment and carry out the execution in a timely manner. Just as the accused has the right to a speedy trial I feel the victim's families have a right to a speedy resolution.

The fact that we grant criminals more rights and time than the victims and their loved ones is what is barbaric and ### backwards in this country.

So you assume that trials are always fair? Its not that hard to manipulate a trial to produce the desired outcome.

[Peikko 1,575]

"Also, you don't know who I am or what access I have to 'important decisions,' so either attack my points or continue with the..."

That is truly pathetic.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

Thank god we don't let people who think like Jaseball make important decisions!

Thank god that if I were a sociopath and career criminal I would have people like you fighting for my right to live while I lounge around in jail and laugh at you and the people I hurt.

Also, you don't know who I am or what access I have to 'important decisions,' so either attack my points or continue with the attempted snide remarks.

You make prison sound like some kind of resort.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Jaseball, I think you live in the wrong country. What you are advocating is truly barbaric.

Please spare me. What is truly barbaric is a criminal violating a victim and changing the lives of all the people who are connected to that person forever.

I am saying that after a criminal gets a fair trial, if they are found guilty, then we cut short the appeals and have 2/3 judges affirm the judgment and carry out the execution in a timely manner. Just as the accused has the right to a speedy trial I feel the victim's families have a right to a speedy resolution.

The fact that we grant criminals more rights and time than the victims and their loved ones is what is barbaric and ### backwards in this country.

So you assume that trials are always fair? Its not that hard to manipulate a trial to produce the desired outcome.

Like producing and airing TV movies showing the defendants guilt before the trial is over.... What happened to gag laws? and keeping the press out of court rooms?

[Peikko 1,575]

Yeah, prison is a cake walk and psychopath's have access to reason when it comes to laughing at people who don't want to put them to death. Makes a lot of sense.

[Jaseball 0]

Of course trials are not always fair. Look at OJ getting away with murder and look at his lack of judgment that got him into this current mess. It goes both ways and money, power, influence, and connections are tied to the legal process as they are tied to almost all aspects of life.

What it comes down to is do you trust the system? The only black and white part for me is if someone killed, maimed, tortured, raped, or performed certain acts against another human being they have a track record and an inclination to repeat these acts.

Our society already blacklists people who are felons and did time, so even when released what usually happens? They revert back to the crimes and what they know to stay alive or in certain cases to inflict harm on others for their personal satisfaction.

Putting these people down is the permanent way to protect society from that particular criminal.

Some of you anti gun, no death penalty, feel good folks better pray that society doesn't collapse or you are not in any sort of dangerous situation like a riot or Katrina type event, otherwise it isn't too hard to see what types of situations you would probably end up in.

[Kevin and 10]

A career criminal knows they going down hard for a B&E if caught and he's going in for 30 years.

Someone is home. If they knows it 30 for a B&E or if they kill the person its still 30. I'm willing to bet they kill so there are no witnesses. With a death penalty they may think twice about taking out witnesses. If they have no conscience and will continually commit henous acts, get rid of them.

Who's footing the bill for the extra capacity in the already over crowded system?

.22LR is about 2 cents. Pretty cheap.

They get cable and satilite TV in prison. I don't even have that.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

Some of you anti gun, no death penalty, feel good folks better pray that society doesn't collapse or you are not in any sort of dangerous situation like a riot or Katrina type event, otherwise it isn't too hard to see what types of situations you would probably end up in.

If society were to collapse, the pro-death-penalty gun nuts would be no better off than the flower-picking dope-smokers. In fact, the flower-picking dope smokers might be a bit safer, assuming that the roving militias are more interested in people with known arsenals in their basements. Bob from the shooting range, who seemed like a nice guy, might rat you out.

I'm going to get to work securing a secret bunker and amassing a collection of tanks.

[Caladan 19]

Of course trials are not always fair. Look at OJ getting away with murder and look at his lack of judgment that got him into this current mess. It goes both ways and money, power, influence, and connections are tied to the legal process as they are tied to almost all aspects of life.

What it comes down to is do you trust the system? The only black and white part for me is if someone killed, maimed, tortured, raped, or performed certain acts against another human being they have a track record and an inclination to repeat these acts.

Our society already blacklists people who are felons and did time, so even when released what usually happens? They revert back to the crimes and what they know to stay alive or in certain cases to inflict harm on others for their personal satisfaction.

Putting these people down is the permanent way to protect society from that particular criminal.

Some of you anti gun, no death penalty, feel good folks better pray that society doesn't collapse or you are not in any sort of dangerous situation like a riot or Katrina type event, otherwise it isn't too hard to see what types of situations you would probably end up in.

Is that a threat? Or are you seriously basing your support of the death penalty on the plot of I Am Legend?

[Dan J 277]

A career criminal knows they going down hard for a B&E if caught and he's going in for 30 years.

Someone is home. If they knows it 30 for a B&E or if they kill the person its still 30. I'm willing to bet they kill so there are no witnesses. With a death penalty they may think twice about taking out witnesses. If they have no conscience and will continually commit henous acts, get rid of them.

Who's footing the bill for the extra capacity in the already over crowded system?

.22LR is about 2 cents. Pretty cheap.

They get cable and satilite TV in prison. I don't even have that.

If you assume you will get caught, why commit the crime? The motivation is in assuming you wont get caught, therefore the severity of the punishment is of no consequence.

[Jaseball 0]

This is my last post here. When it comes to controversial topics on politics, sex, gun laws, religion, etc., I just post my opinion and see what others have to say.

So far in this post all I see directed my way are personal attacks, pejorative comments, straw man arguments, and people taking my comments out of context.

I have no hope of swaying or convincing any anti death penalty folks and it is doubtful you will convince me housing and keeping alive dangerous convicted criminals on tax payer dollars is the morally correct thing or the 'enlightened,' way to proceed in the US.

My points have been made. If I continue here I would just lower myself to a certain level of conduct and I have no wish to do so.