Tax forms neccessary to proove income?

[Just Cool 0]

Hello everybody. New to this forum. I was able to answer most of my questions just by browsing this forum, so I only have one question at this time. In relation to the i-134 affidavit of support.

The checklist says 2 of the 4 evidences need to be provided. I have been working for someone on a cash basis only for about 9 months now.. so im wondering if I would be able to submit A ) bank documents and B ) Signed form from my employer stating date of work and nature of work.

According to the form itself, that would be sufficient to proove income. I will likely be having a Co-Sponsor who can cover the remaining income I dont make.

Does anyone know if this will work without any tax forms (it says tax forms if self employed only).

And if YES, what exactly should this letter say and look like?

Thanks ahead everyone.

Edited October 2, 2007 by Just Cool

[Just Cool 0]

Actually I really meant it to be a Two part question.

Part one. Would I be able to only submit banking info, and also have a co-sponser and meet the poverty requirment?

Then, the second question would be : If NO to the above question, what should the employer form state and what type of info does it need to include.

[BYRON-LEIDY 0]

Part one.....you can submit banking info and alsoany properties or assets...in other words any sort of income..

Part two......you are allowed to have a co-sponser...

Tax transcripts are the best thing to have, 3 years worth....the letter from your employer should list, job title, salary, and status..full time or part time.

[YuAndDan 153]

What consulate are you dealing with? Your profile and timeline lacks details that can be used to accuratly answer your question.

http://www.visajourney.com/timeline/profile.php?id=40124

The I-134 form's directions are old and have not been updated to match the evidence requirements of the I-864.

USCIS does not use the I-134 for anything and only provides it for Department of State to use for NON-Immigrant visas like the K-Visas.

The consulates tend to treat the I-134 like a mini-I-864 as so prefer the same financial evidence as the I-864. This is why many of the consulates and embassies specify IRS returns or Transcripts, employer letter, pay-stubs in their instruction packet letter.

EXAMPLE Manila:

k. EVIDENCE OF SUPPORT. You should be able to demonstrate that you will not become a public charge or be a burden on the U.S. taxpayers for financial support. Submit your petitioner’s most recent U.S. Federal income tax return (Form 1040) and wage statements (Form W-2). Employment letters stating salaries and bank statements may be included. A completed I-134 Affidavit of Support Form will be useful to the consular officer to evaluate your petitioner’s ability to be financially responsible for you.

http://manila.usembassy.gov/wwwfivk1.pdf

In our case this what the I-134 included.

• I-134 signed and notarized.

• SIMPLE Tax transcripts from the IRS for past 3 years, (Redundant for the (1040,W2,1099) but are free from the IRS http://www.irs.gov/faqs/faq1-6.html

• Photo copy of IRS form 1040, and W2s for past 3 years (Not necessary if you provide the transcripts)

• Letter from my employer stating annual salary, job responsibility, and that is full time, on company letterhead.

• Photo copies of past month or so of pay stubs up to a few weeks before the interview.

Bank info and asset data is not required as long as income exceeds %125 povertyline counting self and fiancee, and any dependents, you should be fine.

I did not provide any asset data, my income was sufficient, keep this as simple as possible.

Edited October 2, 2007 by YuAndDan

[BYRON-LEIDY 0]

The I-134 form's directions are old and have not been updated to match the evidence requirements of the I-864.

USCIS does not use the I-134 for anything and only provides it for Department of State to use for NON-Immigrant visas like the K-Visas.

The consulates tend to treat the I-134 like a mini-I-864 as so prefer the same financial evidence as the I-864. This is why many of the consulates and embassies specify IRS returns or Transcripts, employer letter, pay-stubs in their instruction packet letter.

EXAMPLE Manila:

k. EVIDENCE OF SUPPORT. You should be able to demonstrate that you will not become a public charge or be a burden on the U.S. taxpayers for financial support. Submit your petitioner’s most recent U.S. Federal income tax return (Form 1040) and wage statements (Form W-2). Employment letters stating salaries and bank statements may be included. A completed I-134 Affidavit of Support Form will be useful to the consular officer to evaluate your petitioner’s ability to be financially responsible for you.

http://manila.usembassy.gov/wwwfivk1.pdf

In our case this what the I-134 included.

• I-134 signed and notarized.

• SIMPLE Tax transcripts from the IRS for past 3 years, (Redundant for the (1040,W2,1099) but are free from the IRS http://www.irs.gov/faqs/faq1-6.html

• Photo copy of IRS form 1040, and W2s for past 3 years (Not necessary if you provide the transcripts)

• Letter from my employer stating annual salary, job responsibility, and that is full time, on company letterhead.

• Photo copies of past month or so of pay stubs up to a few weeks before the interview.

Bank info and asset data is not required as long as income exceeds %125 povertyline counting self and fiancee, and any dependents, you should be fine.

I did not provide any asset data, my income was sufficient, keep this as simple as possible.

I think this case is different...he works off the books and has no tax returns.

[payxibka 10,045]

Part two......you are allowed to have a co-sponser...

In most but not necessarily all consulates.. Manila comes to mind that frowns on co-sponsors

[BYRON-LEIDY 0]

Part two......you are allowed to have a co-sponser...

In most but not necessarily all consulates.. Manila comes to mind that frowns on co-sponsors

Interesting....did not know this

[pushbrk 12,824]

Part two......you are allowed to have a co-sponser...

In most but not necessarily all consulates.. Manila comes to mind that frowns on co-sponsors

Right and to clarify another point, a joint sponsor cannot "make up for" your shortage of income unless they are part of your actual household. Otherwise, the joint sponsor must qualify as sponsor; must meet the full income requirements for their household plus the intending immigrant.

[BYRON-LEIDY 0]

Now see...this is Visajourney at its best...everybody has a little knowledge that goes a long way !!!!!!!!!!!!

[YuAndDan 153]

I think this case is different...he works off the books and has no tax returns.

"Working off the Books" and not reporting income, will cause problems later on when adjusting status, when doing AOS, the US Citizen Spouse MUST file I-864, and a requirement of the I-864 is IRS Returns.

[amrssnowangel 0]

Part two......you are allowed to have a co-sponser...

In most but not necessarily all consulates.. Manila comes to mind that frowns on co-sponsors

Right and to clarify another point, a joint sponsor cannot "make up for" your shortage of income unless they are part of your actual household. Otherwise, the joint sponsor must qualify as sponsor; must meet the full income requirements for their household plus the intending immigrant.

you stated that if others live in the household they CAN be used to "make up" the lacking income...is that also true at the embassy level? I know it is true for AOS...my parents live with me...(i take care of them) and my income is sufficient, but i've had times off work due to illness that was documented on the I129F form. With THAT in mind...can they simply "make up" the difference? or be a full co sponsor?

[pushbrk 12,824]

Part two......you are allowed to have a co-sponser...

In most but not necessarily all consulates.. Manila comes to mind that frowns on co-sponsors

Right and to clarify another point, a joint sponsor cannot "make up for" your shortage of income unless they are part of your actual household. Otherwise, the joint sponsor must qualify as sponsor; must meet the full income requirements for their household plus the intending immigrant.

you stated that if others live in the household they CAN be used to "make up" the lacking income...is that also true at the embassy level? I know it is true for AOS...my parents live with me...(i take care of them) and my income is sufficient, but i've had times off work due to illness that was documented on the I129F form. With THAT in mind...can they simply "make up" the difference? or be a full co sponsor?

If the income of one of our parents is sufficient to cover a household of three, they can be joint sponsors. I'm not sure how you show household members and income on the I-134. Maybe somebody else does.

[Just Cool 0]

The I-134 form's directions are old and have not been updated to match the evidence requirements of the I-864.

USCIS does not use the I-134 for anything and only provides it for Department of State to use for NON-Immigrant visas like the K-Visas.

The consulates tend to treat the I-134 like a mini-I-864 as so prefer the same financial evidence as the I-864. This is why many of the consulates and embassies specify IRS returns or Transcripts, employer letter, pay-stubs in their instruction packet letter.

EXAMPLE Manila:

k. EVIDENCE OF SUPPORT. You should be able to demonstrate that you will not become a public charge or be a burden on the U.S. taxpayers for financial support. Submit your petitioner’s most recent U.S. Federal income tax return (Form 1040) and wage statements (Form W-2). Employment letters stating salaries and bank statements may be included. A completed I-134 Affidavit of Support Form will be useful to the consular officer to evaluate your petitioner’s ability to be financially responsible for you.

http://manila.usembassy.gov/wwwfivk1.pdf

In our case this what the I-134 included.

• I-134 signed and notarized.

• SIMPLE Tax transcripts from the IRS for past 3 years, (Redundant for the (1040,W2,1099) but are free from the IRS http://www.irs.gov/faqs/faq1-6.html

• Photo copy of IRS form 1040, and W2s for past 3 years (Not necessary if you provide the transcripts)

• Letter from my employer stating annual salary, job responsibility, and that is full time, on company letterhead.

• Photo copies of past month or so of pay stubs up to a few weeks before the interview.

Bank info and asset data is not required as long as income exceeds %125 povertyline counting self and fiancee, and any dependents, you should be fine.

I did not provide any asset data, my income was sufficient, keep this as simple as possible.

I think this case is different...he works off the books and has no tax returns.

Exactly, so would this be a problem for gettin a k1 visa, even if i submited all banking info only, along with a full co-sponser who made enough for the three of us?

I think this case is different...he works off the books and has no tax returns.

"Working off the Books" and not reporting income, will cause problems later on when adjusting status, when doing AOS, the US Citizen Spouse MUST file I-864, and a requirement of the I-864 is IRS Returns.

I appreciate the responses everyone. This also raised concern for me what you are saying. Are you telling me its impossible to adjust my fiance status even after she gets her k1 visa if i dont have 3 years tax returns? Because, well I dont have them, and I couldnt due to having only this year began working.

I was under the impression that by the time we will be filing the AOS, she will have long gotten her work authorization and been working the job for at least 6 months. In this situation, i believe it said her income can be counted in order to proove the requirements...and she surely wont have any tax info so why would it be neccessary for me?

Edited October 3, 2007 by Just Cool

[pushbrk 12,824]

The I-134 form's directions are old and have not been updated to match the evidence requirements of the I-864.

USCIS does not use the I-134 for anything and only provides it for Department of State to use for NON-Immigrant visas like the K-Visas.

The consulates tend to treat the I-134 like a mini-I-864 as so prefer the same financial evidence as the I-864. This is why many of the consulates and embassies specify IRS returns or Transcripts, employer letter, pay-stubs in their instruction packet letter.

EXAMPLE Manila:

k. EVIDENCE OF SUPPORT. You should be able to demonstrate that you will not become a public charge or be a burden on the U.S. taxpayers for financial support. Submit your petitioner’s most recent U.S. Federal income tax return (Form 1040) and wage statements (Form W-2). Employment letters stating salaries and bank statements may be included. A completed I-134 Affidavit of Support Form will be useful to the consular officer to evaluate your petitioner’s ability to be financially responsible for you.

http://manila.usembassy.gov/wwwfivk1.pdf

In our case this what the I-134 included.

• I-134 signed and notarized.

• SIMPLE Tax transcripts from the IRS for past 3 years, (Redundant for the (1040,W2,1099) but are free from the IRS http://www.irs.gov/faqs/faq1-6.html

• Photo copy of IRS form 1040, and W2s for past 3 years (Not necessary if you provide the transcripts)

• Letter from my employer stating annual salary, job responsibility, and that is full time, on company letterhead.

• Photo copies of past month or so of pay stubs up to a few weeks before the interview.

Bank info and asset data is not required as long as income exceeds %125 povertyline counting self and fiancee, and any dependents, you should be fine.

I did not provide any asset data, my income was sufficient, keep this as simple as possible.

I think this case is different...he works off the books and has no tax returns.

Exactly, so would this be a problem for gettin a k1 visa, even if i submited all banking info only, along with a full co-sponser who made enough for the three of us?

I think this case is different...he works off the books and has no tax returns.

"Working off the Books" and not reporting income, will cause problems later on when adjusting status, when doing AOS, the US Citizen Spouse MUST file I-864, and a requirement of the I-864 is IRS Returns.

I appreciate the responses everyone. This also raised concern for me what you are saying. Are you telling me its impossible to adjust my fiance status even after she gets her k1 visa if i dont have 3 years tax returns? Because, well I dont have them, and I couldnt due to having only this year began working.

The I-864 instructions require one tax return. By the time you file for AOS, you'll probably have a tax return to include.

In any event, a joint sponsor is allowed for AOS too.

[Just Cool 0]

The I-134 form's directions are old and have not been updated to match the evidence requirements of the I-864.

USCIS does not use the I-134 for anything and only provides it for Department of State to use for NON-Immigrant visas like the K-Visas.

The consulates tend to treat the I-134 like a mini-I-864 as so prefer the same financial evidence as the I-864. This is why many of the consulates and embassies specify IRS returns or Transcripts, employer letter, pay-stubs in their instruction packet letter.

EXAMPLE Manila:

k. EVIDENCE OF SUPPORT. You should be able to demonstrate that you will not become a public charge or be a burden on the U.S. taxpayers for financial support. Submit your petitioner’s most recent U.S. Federal income tax return (Form 1040) and wage statements (Form W-2). Employment letters stating salaries and bank statements may be included. A completed I-134 Affidavit of Support Form will be useful to the consular officer to evaluate your petitioner’s ability to be financially responsible for you.

http://manila.usembassy.gov/wwwfivk1.pdf

In our case this what the I-134 included.

• I-134 signed and notarized.

• SIMPLE Tax transcripts from the IRS for past 3 years, (Redundant for the (1040,W2,1099) but are free from the IRS http://www.irs.gov/faqs/faq1-6.html

• Photo copy of IRS form 1040, and W2s for past 3 years (Not necessary if you provide the transcripts)

• Letter from my employer stating annual salary, job responsibility, and that is full time, on company letterhead.

• Photo copies of past month or so of pay stubs up to a few weeks before the interview.

Bank info and asset data is not required as long as income exceeds %125 povertyline counting self and fiancee, and any dependents, you should be fine.

I did not provide any asset data, my income was sufficient, keep this as simple as possible.

I think this case is different...he works off the books and has no tax returns.

Exactly, so would this be a problem for gettin a k1 visa, even if i submited all banking info only, along with a full co-sponser who made enough for the three of us?

I think this case is different...he works off the books and has no tax returns.

"Working off the Books" and not reporting income, will cause problems later on when adjusting status, when doing AOS, the US Citizen Spouse MUST file I-864, and a requirement of the I-864 is IRS Returns.

I appreciate the responses everyone. This also raised concern for me what you are saying. Are you telling me its impossible to adjust my fiance status even after she gets her k1 visa if i dont have 3 years tax returns? Because, well I dont have them, and I couldnt due to having only this year began working.

I was under the impression that by the time we file the AOS my fiance will be working for at least 6 months at some job, and her income could be counted correct?

It says we are allowed to have a joint sponsor again, who would be the same person. So if we got the k1 visa then it would only make sense that the AOS would work too.

Edited October 3, 2007 by Just Cool