How much is enough?

[Mike n Huong 1]

For those of you that have gone thru HCMC and those of you about to go thru HCMC, how many chats and emails are you presenting at the interview? Here is my situation: We met each other online in February 2005, and began communicating thru emails, chats, and talking on the phone.

How does HCMC feel about couples meeting online?

This is what I have as evidence of relationship that we will provide:

1. 40 pictures of us together, by ourselves, with family, and with friends.

2. 3 pictures for the engagement ceremony, 1 pic of a man representing my family speaking to her parents, 1 pic of me with a translator speaking to her family telling them I am sorry my family could not attend, as well as me thanking them for there blessing of their daughter, and 1 pic of her father speaking to me and given me permission to marry his daughter.

3. 6 pictures from studio showing her engagement ring wearing Veitnamese special dress as well as me, by ourselves, and with her son and parents.

4. Handwritten letters from her to me, to my kids, to my parents, and letters from me to her, to her son, and to her parents, and letters from her parents to my parents, as well as letters from my parents to hers.

5. Airplane stubs, receipts, Visa Stamps, Hotel receipts, train tickets, water puppet show tickets, etc.

6. Phone records for the duration of our relationship

7. Emails for the duration of our relationship (About 400)

8. Chats (Did not save all of them, because how is one to know you need to save everything)

9. Mail receipts

I may be forgetting some things. So how many emails and chats should be present with her at interview time? IF we print them all then, it will be challenging for her to look thru them all to find specific ones they request. Where do you draw the line? I feel we have enough evidence, but you know HCMC, you just don't know what they want, and expect. What are your thoughts as far as the evidence I am providing? You know, I just don't understand how one is to know that you must save ever little piece of evidence. If one was looking to commit fraud then they would know ahead of time to save everything, but for those who go into a relationship and don't know where it is going to lead to and are only it for love, you do not know that you need to save everything, so it seems like things are reversed. Sorry for rambling!!!!

[Bruce and Han 0]

For those of you that have gone thru HCMC and those of you about to go thru HCMC, how many chats and emails are you presenting at the interview? Here is my situation: We met each other online in February 2005, and began communicating thru emails, chats, and talking on the phone.

How does HCMC feel about couples meeting online?

This is what I have as evidence of relationship that we will provide:

1. 40 pictures of us together, by ourselves, with family, and with friends.

2. 3 pictures for the engagement ceremony, 1 pic of a man representing my family speaking to her parents, 1 pic of me with a translator speaking to her family telling them I am sorry my family could not attend, as well as me thanking them for there blessing of their daughter, and 1 pic of her father speaking to me and given me permission to marry his daughter.

3. 6 pictures from studio showing her engagement ring wearing Veitnamese special dress as well as me, by ourselves, and with her son and parents.

4. Handwritten letters from her to me, to my kids, to my parents, and letters from me to her, to her son, and to her parents, and letters from her parents to my parents, as well as letters from my parents to hers.

5. Airplane stubs, receipts, Visa Stamps, Hotel receipts, train tickets, water puppet show tickets, etc.

6. Phone records for the duration of our relationship

7. Emails for the duration of our relationship (About 400)

8. Chats (Did not save all of them, because how is one to know you need to save everything)

9. Mail receipts

I may be forgetting some things. So how many emails and chats should be present with her at interview time? IF we print them all then, it will be challenging for her to look thru them all to find specific ones they request. Where do you draw the line? I feel we have enough evidence, but you know HCMC, you just don't know what they want, and expect. What are your thoughts as far as the evidence I am providing? You know, I just don't understand how one is to know that you must save ever little piece of evidence. If one was looking to commit fraud then they would know ahead of time to save everything, but for those who go into a relationship and don't know where it is going to lead to and are only it for love, you do not know that you need to save everything, so it seems like things are reversed. Sorry for rambling!!!!

Hey Mike,

You are doing a great job! My personal opinion is: Take as much as you can to the interview, But as Lan says (Andys fiancee): it is most important to have everything in very good order by date. send her some post it notes! You would want her to seperate all the correnspondence from the time the two of you first met up to the engagement and then from the engagement all the way up to the interview. I hope that makes sense. I also sent sent my fiancee a picture of my car with me standing next to it just for the heck of it. Did you send her the credit card reciepts for the plane tickets?

[dalegg 143]

Print out your 10 favorite E-Mails and don't bother with the chats. They'll be far more interested in what you write in your handwritten letters than in a bunch of chats that you could have paid someone to edit for you (come on, you know you could have).

How do they feel about couples meeting online? Well, seeing how about 80% probably meet online, they are used to that. I met my wife online- American Singles. I've heard from some people that this is more "preferred" if such a thing exists. Which is more likely to be fraud- "I met her onlne" or "I met her through a relative of hers here in the U.S. (who looked at me and saw a pefect opportunity)"? People just don't visit Vietnam enough for many chance encounters to happen- not that it doesn't ever happen.

You have plenty of evidence. In fact, you are going to be disappointed because you will have amassed all of this fine evidence and they will look at one or two letters, 3 or 4 pictures, ask her several questions and it will all be over.

[Mike n Huong 1]

Print out your 10 favorite E-Mails and don't bother with the chats. They'll be far more interested in what you write in your handwritten letters than in a bunch of chats that you could have paid someone to edit for you (come on, you know you could have).

How do they feel about couples meeting online? Well, seeing how about 80% probably meet online, they are used to that. I met my wife online- American Singles. I've heard from some people that this is more "preferred" if such a thing exists. Which is more likely to be fraud- "I met her onlne" or "I met her through a relative of hers here in the U.S. (who looked at me and saw a pefect opportunity)"? People just don't visit Vietnam enough for many chance encounters to happen- not that it doesn't ever happen.

You have plenty of evidence. In fact, you are going to be disappointed because you will have amassed all of this fine evidence and they will look at one or two letters, 3 or 4 pictures, ask her several questions and it will all be over.

Thanks for your input. When reading Lan's interview, they asked her for the very first month, so if I only print 10 of them then what to do? I don't want to give them any reason to say we need to provide more evidence. Although I don't feel it necessary to provide them with every email. I was just going to print about 4 from the first month, one or two from each month, and the one before and after each visit. I read somewhere about each of the fiancee's calling wach other husband and wife, and we did the same thing when we knew we wanted to marry. Will they question this or am I over thinking?

Hey Mike,

You are doing a great job! My personal opinion is: Take as much as you can to the interview, But as Lan says (Andys fiancee): it is most important to have everything in very good order by date. send her some post it notes! You would want her to seperate all the correnspondence from the time the two of you first met up to the engagement and then from the engagement all the way up to the interview. I hope that makes sense. I also sent sent my fiancee a picture of my car with me standing next to it just for the heck of it. Did you send her the credit card reciepts for the plane tickets?

Thanks for your input. I have a picture of my daughter wearing an Aoi Dai dress my Fiancee sent her for her birthday. I did send her a picture of my car a while ago, but didn't include it, lol. I purchased my plane tickets both times thru orbitz. I printed the intinerary which shows how much I paid. I also included my bank statement which shows the purchase on it. I also purchased flowers for her online, and I am providing the bank statement which says Vietnam Floral.

[dalegg 143]

Yes, you are overthinking! If you are in doubt, just print all of your E-Mails. That's not really hard and they aren't going to tell you you have too much evidence.

[Bruce and Han 0]

I did send her a picture of my car a while ago, but didn't include it, lol.

Mike, Help me out here.

[Mike n Huong 1]

I did send her a picture of my car a while ago, but didn't include it, lol.

Mike, Help me out here.

Seriously I did send her some pics of my car, house, and swimming pool so her parents and her could see where she would be living. I was just joking with you about the lol.

[Bruce and Han 0]

Seriously I did send her some pics of my car, house, and swimming pool so her parents and her could see where she would be living. I was just joking with you about the lol.

It's cool. You know I still connot figure out how to quote just part of a quote,

[Mike n Huong 1]

Seriously I did send her some pics of my car, house, and swimming pool so her parents and her could see where she would be living. I was just joking with you about the lol.

It's cool. You know I still connot figure out how to quote just part of a quote,

I have the same problem Bruce, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

What is your opinion about highlighting with a highlighter certain things on emails? My fiance used to reply to my emails, by just adding her answers inisde my email, lol, like that explains it good. Anyways, some of our emails have what we both typed mixed, so I was going to highlight what she typed, and write a note on the bottom of the email saying that the highlighted is what Huong typed. Will they disregard these documents if I do that?

[Bruce and Han 0]

I think that will be fine, as long as it is indicated that there is correspondence from both of you on the same letter.

[dalegg 143]

Seriously I did send her some pics of my car, house, and swimming pool so her parents and her could see where she would be living. I was just joking with you about the lol.

It's cool. You know I still connot figure out how to quote just part of a quote,

I have the same problem Bruce, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

To avoid these problems, preview your posts.

Make sure you don't have a "" when you don't have a "

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When Bruce tried to quote Mike saying "I did send her a picture of my car a while ago, but didn't include it, lol" He forgot to leave in the beginning part "

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Edited April 10, 2006 by dalegg

[Bruce and Han 0]

To avoid these problems, preview your posts.

Make sure you don't have a "

" when you don't have a "

" or "

first. For every

there must be a

before it. No more' date=' no less.

The beginning of the quote is: "

" and the end of the quote is always "

".

When Bruce tried to quote Mike saying "I did send her a picture of my car a while ago, but didn't include it, lol" He forgot to leave in the beginning part "

" and every quote after that got jacked up because of the one missing

. [/b]

This is a test

I still did it wrong. Man,,I work with computer everyday and thisone gets to me. I thought I was doing it correct with what Dalegg instructed, I am still missing the point I guess. Dalegg, can you dumb it down a notch please?

[dalegg 143]

[ quote name=dalegg' date='Apr 9 2006, 08:56 PM' post='120285]

To avoid these problems, preview your posts.

Make sure you don't have a "[ /quote]" when you don't have a "[ quote]" or "[ quote=someone at sometime] first. For every [ /quote] there must be a [ quote=] before it. No more, no less.

The beginning of the quote is: "[ quote=Bruce_Han' date='Apr 9 2006, 08:56 PM' post='120213]" and the end of the quote is always "[ /quote]".

When Bruce tried to quote Mike saying "I did send her a picture of my car a while ago, but didn't include it, lol" He forgot to leave in the beginning part "[ quote=mike1972e' date='Apr 9 2006, 06:14 PM' post='120229]" and every quote after that got jacked up because of the one missing [ quote=]. [/b]

[ /quote]

This is a test

I still did it wrong. Man,,I work with computer everyday and thisone gets to me. I thought I was doing it correct with what Dalegg instructed, I am still missing the point I guess. Dalegg, can you dumb it down a notch please?

Well, this one is a bust because of the number of times I used [ quote=] and [ /quote] in my explanation. The only reason I can put a quote around all of that now is because I put a space in front of all of the "["s

[dalegg 143]

Look, here is an example of me quoting one of your earlier posts. I've put an extra space in front of each "[" so I can display the whole thing as it would look when you preview your post.

[ quote name=Bruce_Han' date='Apr 9 2006, 06:44 PM' post='120266]

I think that will be fine, as long as it is indicated that there is correspondence from both of you on the same letter.

[ /quote]

The bolded parts are the ones you must have in your quotes. As long as you have those parts, you can reuse or cut down the text as much as you want. Examples:

[ quote name=Bruce_Han' date='Apr 9 2006, 06:44 PM' post='120266]

I think that will be fine[ /quote]

=

I think that will be fine

and

[ quote name=Bruce_Han' date='Apr 9 2006, 06:44 PM' post='120266]

I think that will be fine, as long as it is indicated that there is correspondence from both of you on the same letter. And by the way, don't you think that dalegg is one great guy [ /quote]

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I think that will be fine, as long as it is indicated that there is correspondence from both of you on the same letter. And by the way, don't you think that dalegg is one great guy

Just remember when you actually quote it will be "

" and not "[ quote]" with a space.

[Bruce and Han 0]

Look, here is an example of me quoting one of your earlier posts. I've put an extra space in front of each "[" so I can display the whole thing as it would look when you preview your post.

[ quote name=Bruce_Han' date='Apr 9 2006, 06:44 PM' post='120266]

I think that will be fine, as long as it is indicated that there is correspondence from both of you on the same letter.

[ /quote]

The bolded parts are the ones you must have in your quotes. As long as you have those parts, you can reuse or cut down the text as much as you want. Examples:

[ quote name=Bruce_Han' date='Apr 9 2006, 06:44 PM' post='120266]

I think that will be fine[ /quote]

=

I think that will be fine

and

[ quote name=Bruce_Han' date='Apr 9 2006, 06:44 PM' post='120266]

I think that will be fine, as long as it is indicated that there is correspondence from both of you on the same letter. And by the way, don't you think that dalegg is one great guy [ /quote]

=

I think that will be fine, as long as it is indicated that there is correspondence from both of you on the same letter. And by the way, don't you think that dalegg is one great guy

Just remember when you actually quote it will be "

" and not "[ quote]" with a space.

Thanks Dalegg, my brain is on Idle now, I will practice this later. Good job explaining this, you will see in future post that I have achieved the skills.