Yardies, at home and a farrin' (Part 4)

[jamerican 2]

You just don't get it and honestly I don't think you have the ability to GET IT. People of color don't have the ability to hide what would cause them to be treated unfairly because the moment we appear we are prejudged simply based on the color of our skin. If irratates the FU** out of me when gay people try and compare thier struggles or injustices to those of people of color...most of those you mentioned (religion, age, sexual orientation) are all thing that no one has to even know about thus if people are being discriminated it has come from thier wanting to put it out there for folks.... If personal business is kept "personal" how in the hell can a person be treated bad??? Like comparing apples to oranges. Rhonda...what you don't seem to understand (and also other VJ boardies who had problems with our reaction) was that we hope to enlighten your narrowed perspective in hopes that you may learn from those who actually LIVE it and learn from our feelings and or experiences. Honesly, I don't give a rats azz if you GET IT...but only hope that you have some sort of compassion because of the children....BLACK CHILDREN you may be raising and the worst thing a child can come home to is a parent that won't even empathize but instead makes excuses...which is exactly what you did in regards to this situation. You have entered into a much deeper relationship than just you and your Jamaican husband.... If you can't understand that .... I feel sorry for your children. I come from interracial parents so I can speak from experience from both angles... There is nothing worse than to go to a white parent who makes excuses for injustices..(saying this 2x because of the need to make a point) making statements like yours that it isn't always a race issue. No one expects you to understand but at least when people who have experience in the issues try to inlighten you it is pure ignorance to shoot them down.

Don't insult me with YOUR ignorance. Become a true American and stop complaining about every injustice that you think is in your way. YOU are in your own way. YOUR PEOPLE are in your own way. Change that then get back to me.

Become a true American and stop complaining about every injustice that you think is in your way. YOU are in your own way. YOUR PEOPLE are in your own way.

Did you take this from the KKK bylaws? David Duke-Grand Marshall of the KKK would be pleased at your using his retoric and foolishness. Do you realize how you sound??? You totally missed the point of my attempting to keep you from making the mistakes of other white people raising black children......Acknowledge and realization not complaining..... I am just amazed at how YOU twisted this to be some sort of attack.

[12/11/2006 0]

KimmyKashi and Rhondapayter I really don't think you guys should stay away because you both keep the thread going. We can move on now and at this point we just have to respect each others opinion.

Edited September 29, 2007 by 12/11/2006

[jamerican 2]

You know what Rhonda, I'm done trying to explain what actually goes on in this country to you, you can sit in your little ivory castle and stick your head in the sand if you would like. We Black mothers, unfortunately do not have that luxury. So, no Rhonda the 'Racial Issues', as you put them will not go away! Because anytime we see inequality, injustice or unfairness towards our own, especially our children, we WILL continue to call lawmakers, legislators, and politicans on it!

You are no longer worth the effort or my VALUABLE time to sit down and respond to your obilivious statements. I can't help someone understand, when they aren't open-minded enough to listen and hear what the other side is saying. Like my Mom used to say Rhonda..."Those who don't hear...mus' feel!" One day...One day, you will know!

Nuf said...It's is Friday... and Rhonda you will not steal my joy today!!! So you have a GREAT Weekend, Rhonda!

You need to get a life! I've been a member of VJ for over 3 1/2 years now. I was one of the original people who STARTED the Yardie thread. I have NEVER, EVER had an issue with ANY member on here for any reason before. YOU took my opinion and turned it around and twisted it up to make ME out to be some racial, prejudiced, WHITE power obsessed witch just because you are too stupid to understand MY viewpoint!!! I will not sit here and listen to you bashing me and pretending to know WHO I am and WHERE I come from and HOW I grew up.

What YOU don't realize is that YOUR Jamaican is going to come here and think YOU are racist for feeling the way YOU do. Jamaicans don't have the "chip" that Americans do....YOU are the one who is in for a rude awakening!!!

What YOU don't realize is that YOUR Jamaican is going to come here and think YOU are racist for feeling the way YOU do. Jamaicans don't have the "chip" that Americans do

I disagree but then if I was your man...I would probably say this because from your own admission, you have no empathy for racial injustice so he wouldn't get your support anyway!

[jamerican 2]

I am really sorry that this discussion has gone in this direction but it has become apparent that there is insensitivity in regards to racial situations. I do think it is relevant that this come up on this board because there are many people who are non-people of color bringing jamaicans into an unfortunately racist society. To ignore or believe that there is no racism in society is to be blind as Stevie Wonder. It would be cruel to not be prepared and to prepare your SO for what they could/may encounter. It is important to listen when the ones with experience attempt to provide a perspective that you are unaware of first hand. No one expects white people to understand but to at least be open to any information that might help you to be aware. I thought of this board as a useful media in helping with the Journey of bringing over our loved ones.... This is just another topic that is very sensitive thus why the reaction from myself. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion BUT if an opinion is insulting or hurtful it is not free from criticism solely because it was labeled as an "opinion".

[Forever Young 1]

You know what Rhonda, I'm done trying to explain what actually goes on in this country to you, you can sit in your little ivory castle and stick your head in the sand if you would like. We Black mothers, unfortunately do not have that luxury. So, no Rhonda the 'Racial Issues', as you put them will not go away! Because anytime we see inequality, injustice or unfairness towards our own, especially our children, we WILL continue to call lawmakers, legislators, and politicans on it!

You are no longer worth the effort or my VALUABLE time to sit down and respond to your obilivious statements. I can't help someone understand, when they aren't open-minded enough to listen and hear what the other side is saying. Like my Mom used to say Rhonda..."Those who don't hear...mus' feel!" One day...One day, you will know!

Nuf said...It's is Friday... and Rhonda you will not steal my joy today!!! So you have a GREAT Weekend, Rhonda!

You need to get a life! I've been a member of VJ for over 3 1/2 years now. I was one of the original people who STARTED the Yardie thread. I have NEVER, EVER had an issue with ANY member on here for any reason before. YOU took my opinion and turned it around and twisted it up to make ME out to be some racial, prejudiced, WHITE power obsessed witch just because you are too stupid to understand MY viewpoint!!! I will not sit here and listen to you bashing me and pretending to know WHO I am and WHERE I come from and HOW I grew up.

What YOU don't realize is that YOUR Jamaican is going to come here and think YOU are racist for feeling the way YOU do. Jamaicans don't have the "chip" that Americans do....YOU are the one who is in for a rude awakening!!!

Rhonda...I AM JAMAICAN (born and raised). ...So just like I don't know you...you don't know me. And you don't need fi worry about MY Jamaican...he understands like I do that their is good and bad regardless of colour...however MY Jamaican also know that DL racism exists here...

Rhonda, I hear that your tired, believe me I get it! But, can I tell you why I'm tired ...

Tired is arriving in this country and finding a petition nailed to your front door, signed by your ENTIRE neighborhood asking that you move elsewhere, cause their property value will go down, because your the first black family to move in...tired is being told by the white mother that lives next door that you can't play with her daughter cause your skin color might rub off on her....tired is having to explain what the 'N' word means to my 5 year old, when he comes home crying from school...tired is having kids repeatedly tell your 6 year old to 'GO BACK TO AFRICA' (when he was born HERE) and being told by the principal that the kids meant nothing by it...Tired is having to wake up EVERY morning and the first thing I think of is...'ONE in FOUR, Gill...ONE in FOUR chance to get raising these two beautiful little boys right, so they don't end up dead or in prison for some nonsense!

So Rhonda, I hear that your tired...but so am I. Oh, I never called you a racist...all I ever asked was that you empathize with why we continue to fight for equal justice. Anyway, Rhonda...I'm not going keep this going...so if you want to respond to my comments you can PM me. Rhonda...I am sorry about the rose colored glasses remark and the other hurtful things I said...I'm adult enough to know when I go to far. However, as a Jamaican woman, born under a sun sign...I have the quick temper and many times say things I don't mean...so for the hurtful comments I apologize.

To everyone else, I am sorry if I brought the thread down, with my comments...that was not my intention. . However, I did think it was a place where we to learn and teach each other about things that touch our lives. I have learned a great deal from all of you guys and want to thank you for your kindness. It was a pleasure to speak with all of you...even you Rhonda... I haven't been that reilled up in years... ...so I wish you all the best in the continuence of this thread.

Take care and Blessed Journeys to all ,

Gill

[Marie876 0]

Morning everyone!

I just read this in the Gleaner. It's really sad but just another realization that you don't know if you will be alive to see tomorrow. Since the school year started last month, four students have passed away and thats just on MY college's campus. I give God the blessings for allowing me (along with you and the rest of the world) the opportunity of seeing a new day

Deadliest Period In Jamaica

[nannygirl82 0]

you know what....this is enough already....the hard thing about a forum like this...is that is hard to understand how people are talking....either it be funny, rude humorous or just a blank stated thought.....

you know everyone at one time or another has been the victim of ignorance, or being profiled or just someone being plain rude...and it hurts....i know it does i have been there a lot of times....i am 5'11 with a likkle extra meat on the bones...and showing up to a interview to be some persons nanny who is so fragile a strong breeze could nock them over....don't think they will be hiring me...then when they find out i had a JA b/f that was the end of the interview and job.....it sucked....

i am not going to even begin to say i know what it is like to be black...cause i don't...but i live with one and i see what he goes through on a daily basis and things that have happend to him...and i know it pains him comments or silence when he is talking to someone....but the adivce i give him is you gotta move one pick yourself up and try no the let their ignorance get to you....

we all have differnt views on the world and how things are going and happening....so please lets keep that in mind and move away from this topic....lets agree to disagree...

[Marie876 0]

Morning everyone!

This is TOTALLY but I'm glad.

I just read this in the Gleaner. It's really sad but just another realization that you don't know if you will be alive to see tomorrow. Since the school year started last month, four students have passed away and thats just on MY college's campus. I give God the blessings for allowing me (along with you and the rest of the world) the opportunity of seeing a new day

Deadliest Period In Jamaica

Oh, and can everyone refrain from comments like "you're too stupid to understand" and "you need to get a life". It is possible to state your opinion without putting directly putting someone down.

Just a question for you ladies (and gents)...I like to plan ahead and am thinking of what to get my SO for Christmas. I'm a BIG black Friday shopper so I want to get his gift then while prices are good. Anybody want to share what you plan on getting your SO or what you've got them in the past? And what they got you?

--Sorry about the doublepost--

[luvtravlin 0]

Hey, guys. Please could we move on to something else? Everyone is pretty much stuck in their own opinions, with their own reasons, and it is what it is. It's all incredibly stressful and sad today.

I agree to disagree or agree with you, whatever the case may be.

Have a good weekend everyone. I'm out.

You are no longer worth the effort or my VALUABLE time to sit down and respond to your obilivious statements.

You've GOT to be kidding me!!!!

This forum was started for US to have a place to help each other -- not BASH each other every chance we get.

What is wrong with someone having an opinion? That's just fine if you don't agree with it but do we have to get so nasty?

I have been around (and been a party to) plenty of prejudice in my life. It is what it is. Yeah, it's a shame that in this day and age things like this still go on -- I am sorry for that. I really am. But I don't go around making it worse. Whatever......

Ya know Mindy.....I TOTALLY miss the good ole days when we used to laugh, joke, support, be caring, etc etc and not have ANY of this BS drama on here !!!!! Where the heck are all of our "veterans"????!!!

Oh LORD!!! Get over the veterans already!!!! It sounds quite insulting to those who are "newbies" on here! Like they are unwanted or something. I have seen you make this comment many times before, even when I was a newbie and all it made me do is not like the veterans. so that comment really gets the thread no where. Its gonna become a battle of the newbie verse the vet in a minute and of course the newbie will win, cause there are WAY more of them. The thread is what it is! It evolves just like everyting else in life! It has its ups and downs.

The problem on here is what I see on many other forums that have to do with Jamaica and the Americans who love it. People have a high-octane opinion, mixed with their love for a country but really have never walked a mile in the shoes of the people from the country. I think people who are not Black don't understand when things SEEM to always have a "racial" issue behind them because they only see the surface. They only see what the media presents to them.

I gotta say, there's a WHOLE underground, unspoken world that Black people from ALL OVER THE WORLD share. Only WE share it so other races and cultures don't get it. Blacks meet from the US, UK, Africa, Caribbean, and they all have someting in common. The way they have been treated throughout the history of this world. They all have heard horrible tear causing stories from their granparents, and even their own children. The all know whats its like to be a ethnic minority, even when they live in a country or continent where they are the majority. When we don't live in areas where there are many of us we gravitate to one another, giving each other an unspoken look, or head nod just to show, we acknowledge each others Blackness. When we are around each other we embrace our Blackness and our culture much more than we do when we are around others. WE wear our hair differently, we dress differently, we talk about differnet things. We have converstaions and speech patterns we would never share with other races no matter how down we think they are. When we do it fuels debates like the one on here cause others just don't understand.

I know this may be new for many to understand, even if you've been around Black people for years, dated Black men, had Black friends, listen to reggae, rap, soul and R&B. There are just somethings that you will never get. Either you can't physically experience them, like having someone call you a N----, have people tell you to cover your nappy hair, spit at you cause your Black, through hateful slurs at you, say your pretty for a Black girl, ask if you wash your hair, sit in an office of all whites, sit in a school of all whites, sit on a bus, at a movie, in the mall......its a different world from our eyes. Then there's just the stuff we as Black folks talk about in the privacy of or Black neighborhoods, some of that stuff will never come out to the public til the day we all die!!!!

SO when issues like JENA 6 come out well you're just getting a bit of a taste of what we talk about and how we talk on the DL.

HELLO!!!!!

Girl you hit the nail on the head! Thank you for your eloquent, well written, enlightful post. Oh but maybe my ideas or throughts aren't worthy because I am a "NEWBIE"!!!!! #######???? I think it is quite the opposite because you see we all have more experience .................(let it go......)

Thanks again....

I think the veterans comments were made as far as the spirit of the way previous discussions have occured and not necessarily what was said.

But....once AGAIN, everything was taken completely out of context !!! No wonder folks are droppin like flies....

[SweetSugahDumplin 0]

Hey, guys. Please could we move on to something else? Everyone is pretty much stuck in their own opinions, with their own reasons, and it is what it is. It's all incredibly stressful and sad today.

I agree to disagree or agree with you, whatever the case may be.

Have a good weekend everyone. I'm out.

You are no longer worth the effort or my VALUABLE time to sit down and respond to your obilivious statements.

You've GOT to be kidding me!!!!

This forum was started for US to have a place to help each other -- not BASH each other every chance we get.

What is wrong with someone having an opinion? That's just fine if you don't agree with it but do we have to get so nasty?

I have been around (and been a party to) plenty of prejudice in my life. It is what it is. Yeah, it's a shame that in this day and age things like this still go on -- I am sorry for that. I really am. But I don't go around making it worse. Whatever......

Ya know Mindy.....I TOTALLY miss the good ole days when we used to laugh, joke, support, be caring, etc etc and not have ANY of this BS drama on here !!!!! Where the heck are all of our "veterans"????!!!

Oh LORD!!! Get over the veterans already!!!! It sounds quite insulting to those who are "newbies" on here! Like they are unwanted or something. I have seen you make this comment many times before, even when I was a newbie and all it made me do is not like the veterans. so that comment really gets the thread no where. Its gonna become a battle of the newbie verse the vet in a minute and of course the newbie will win, cause there are WAY more of them. The thread is what it is! It evolves just like everyting else in life! It has its ups and downs.

The problem on here is what I see on many other forums that have to do with Jamaica and the Americans who love it. People have a high-octane opinion, mixed with their love for a country but really have never walked a mile in the shoes of the people from the country. I think people who are not Black don't understand when things SEEM to always have a "racial" issue behind them because they only see the surface. They only see what the media presents to them.

I gotta say, there's a WHOLE underground, unspoken world that Black people from ALL OVER THE WORLD share. Only WE share it so other races and cultures don't get it. Blacks meet from the US, UK, Africa, Caribbean, and they all have someting in common. The way they have been treated throughout the history of this world. They all have heard horrible tear causing stories from their granparents, and even their own children. The all know whats its like to be a ethnic minority, even when they live in a country or continent where they are the majority. When we don't live in areas where there are many of us we gravitate to one another, giving each other an unspoken look, or head nod just to show, we acknowledge each others Blackness. When we are around each other we embrace our Blackness and our culture much more than we do when we are around others. WE wear our hair differently, we dress differently, we talk about differnet things. We have converstaions and speech patterns we would never share with other races no matter how down we think they are. When we do it fuels debates like the one on here cause others just don't understand.

I know this may be new for many to understand, even if you've been around Black people for years, dated Black men, had Black friends, listen to reggae, rap, soul and R&B. There are just somethings that you will never get. Either you can't physically experience them, like having someone call you a N----, have people tell you to cover your nappy hair, spit at you cause your Black, through hateful slurs at you, say your pretty for a Black girl, ask if you wash your hair, sit in an office of all whites, sit in a school of all whites, sit on a bus, at a movie, in the mall......its a different world from our eyes. Then there's just the stuff we as Black folks talk about in the privacy of or Black neighborhoods, some of that stuff will never come out to the public til the day we all die!!!!

SO when issues like JENA 6 come out well you're just getting a bit of a taste of what we talk about and how we talk on the DL.

HELLO!!!!!

Girl you hit the nail on the head! Thank you for your eloquent, well written, enlightful post. Oh but maybe my ideas or throughts aren't worthy because I am a "NEWBIE"!!!!! #######???? I think it is quite the opposite because you see we all have more experience .................(let it go......)

Thanks again....

I think the veterans comments were made as far as the spirit of the way previous discussions have occured and not necessarily what was said.

But....once AGAIN, everything was taken completely out of context !!! No wonder folks are droppin like flies....

Well it can be taken several ways what was said in respect to the vetaran comment so we when posting should try to understand that when you type words they can be taken different ways as opposed to actually speaking. I read that statement abt the veterans several times and in all honestly it can be viewed negatively or positively. Words on paper or screen are very different than spoken word. Everyone comprehends differently, information presented to them. I was always taught to think before i speak as some things can come off wrong and once said they cant be taken back. Lets all try to stay positive here and focus on what we are all here for to support each other through our journey all this added fighting amongst us makes it a bit more stressful. This is a place i normally come to get my mind off things and for you guys support. Lets get back to that:) im sure everyone has voiced what they have to say on the topics of the past few days, week(s).

[SweetSugahDumplin 0]

What hotel is closest to the embasssy, and is clean and cheap. Whats up with Christar Villas how far is that away does anyone know....

[JA Tam 7]

Well it can be taken several ways what was said in respect to the vetaran comment so we when posting should try to understand that when you type words they can be taken different ways as opposed to actually speaking. I read that statement abt the veterans several times and in all honestly it can be viewed negatively or positively. Words on paper or screen are very different than spoken word. Everyone comprehends differently, information presented to them. I was always taught to think before i speak as some things can come off wrong and once said they cant be taken back. Lets all try to stay positive here and focus on what we are all here for to support each other through our journey all this added fighting amongst us makes it a bit more stressful. This is a place i normally come to get my mind off things and for you guys support. Lets get back to that:) im sure everyone has voiced what they have to say on the topics of the past few days, week(s).

Well said, JALOVE. I have just decided to let sleeping dogs lie as this really got out of control.

"One love, one heart, let's get together and feel alright"

As the Jamaican motto says: "out of Many, One people" - let's simply agree to disagree.

[nannygirl82 0]

What hotel is closest to the embasssy, and is clean and cheap. Whats up with Christar Villas how far is that away does anyone know....

uumm not sure where the embassy is at...but when we has our interview we stayed at The Knutsford Court Hotel....it was nice clean and pretty cheap....

[JA Tam 7]

What hotel is closest to the embasssy, and is clean and cheap. Whats up with Christar Villas how far is that away does anyone know....

Christar is by far the closest...it's right across the road from my alma mater (Campion). It's a few blocks away from the embassy. It's a nice little walk, but it can be done; if you drove, it's 5 minutes, if that much (only because of the traffic lights and congestion on that road).

[SweetSugahDumplin 0]

What hotel is closest to the embasssy, and is clean and cheap. Whats up with Christar Villas how far is that away does anyone know....

Christar is by far the closest...it's right across the road from my alma mater (Campion). It's a few blocks away from the embassy. It's a nice little walk, but it can be done; if you drove, it's 5 minutes, if that much (only because of the traffic lights and congestion on that road).

I stayed at Sunset Inn before i can see the hilton from there im just not sure if thats close to the embassy it was clean and cheap though about 65-70 US http://sunsetinn-ja.com/. Its on Altamont Crescent....Knutsford seems pretty nice i odnt even care what it look like lol as long as im on time for my interview!!! i dont want to be late!! hey do they ever let you in early? I wonder what time they actually start the interviews.