flight itineraries....

[kaydee457 13]

Pictures don't do anything except show you have met, they do nothing for proving you met in the last two years (even little dates on pictures can be altered).

...unless there is a newspaper in the photograph It certainly worked for us, and there was no other evidence.

Bartek

[Cassie 8]

Evidence will vary from case to case. And there really is no definate list of what one MUST send. What is required is for one to show that they have met within the required 2 year period. Its about the entirety of that evidence in being able to create an image in the minds eye of an adjudicator that you have indeed met. It will even vary with some adjudicators. In general, most of the time no single piece of evidence will stand alone.....it needs support by other evidence. This can be any number of things. Sometimes its that tiny little bit of what one might think insignificant that will tie it all together.

Exactly. Like I said in another very similar thread, the key to the I-129f submission is showing that you have met in the last two years.

The I-129f petition is like a puzzle, and the documents you send along with it are the pieces. Do the pieces fit together to make a complete picture?

[*Robert* 2]

I'm not sure what more boarding passes show but they seem to be preferred by most VJ members.

Boarding passes are one of the preferred forms of evidence that the USCIS likes to see. Boarding passes, especially those that are international, prove that you, and only you, boarded the airplane.

How do they know this? Given the security checks you need to pass through these days to fly anyplace, there's little or no possibility that anyone else could have other than the person named on the boarding pass. You identification was checked, and re-checked by various people before allowed on the airplane. That's why they're considered strong primary evidence.

As you said before, itineraries prove nothing. I can get an itinerary at this moment, print it out, and then simply cancel the trip.......

I agree 100%!!! As a frequent business traveler, I can assure you most companies do not accept a copy of your itinerary as proof you made the trip, and will not pay your expenses!!! When submitting an expense report to almost any major company, they want to see your Boarding Passes!!! It's not just the USCIS that requires that type of proof over itineraries!

[brtlmj 0]

...unless there is a newspaper in the photograph It certainly worked for us, and there was no other evidence.

Well, I seem to remember a case on here where people sent in photos of them next a display (the orange arch things in New York awhile back) and also a clip of a newspaper saying they were only there for a certain time so they could prove they were together at this point in time and they got an RFE! I could be misremebering though. If the photos worked for you that's great, but I would definitely tell people to send more evidence than that to be safe.

Well, sending a photo AND a newspaper clip does NOT prove that they met within last two years, does it ? It only proves that they met, and that they somehow obtained a NY newspaper. Now, if the newspaper was included in the photograph, I would consider it a "hard evidence", as opposed to "circumstantial evidence" of undated photos, boarding passes etc.

Bartek

[aussiewench 9]

...unless there is a newspaper in the photograph It certainly worked for us, and there was no other evidence.

Well, I seem to remember a case on here where people sent in photos of them next a display (the orange arch things in New York awhile back) and also a clip of a newspaper saying they were only there for a certain time so they could prove they were together at this point in time and they got an RFE! I could be misremebering though. If the photos worked for you that's great, but I would definitely tell people to send more evidence than that to be safe.

Well, sending a photo AND a newspaper clip does NOT prove that they met within last two years, does it ? It only proves that they met, and that they somehow obtained a NY newspaper. Now, if the newspaper was included in the photograph, I would consider it a "hard evidence", as opposed to "circumstantial evidence" of undated photos, boarding passes etc.

Bartek

Thats the thing though it is not always the case. Whilst you only sent that and that was accepted.......someone else could do exactly the same and get an RFE. Every case is different and each adjudicator is different in what they are going to accept as that proof. If I was an adjudicator and familiar with photoshop I would not just accept a photograph with a newspaper and would issue an RFE for evidence that would back up that photograph by way of boarding passes etc.

[Miranda&James 8]

...unless there is a newspaper in the photograph It certainly worked for us, and there was no other evidence.

Well, I seem to remember a case on here where people sent in photos of them next a display (the orange arch things in New York awhile back) and also a clip of a newspaper saying they were only there for a certain time so they could prove they were together at this point in time and they got an RFE! I could be misremebering though. If the photos worked for you that's great, but I would definitely tell people to send more evidence than that to be safe.

Well, sending a photo AND a newspaper clip does NOT prove that they met within last two years, does it ? It only proves that they met, and that they somehow obtained a NY newspaper. Now, if the newspaper was included in the photograph, I would consider it a "hard evidence", as opposed to "circumstantial evidence" of undated photos, boarding passes etc.

Bartek

No, it does prove it in that they were standing in front of a one time only display (only there for a certain few dates) in their picture and the newspaper just confirmed that the display was only there for that date. It wouldn't matter if they got the paper off someone on the street, it still shows that the display they were in front of was there during this time frame (that was within the past two years) and that they were indeed together in front of it.

[brtlmj 0]

No, it does prove it in that they were standing in front of a one time only display (only there for a certain few dates) in their picture and the newspaper just confirmed that the display was only there for that date. It wouldn't matter if they got the paper off someone on the street, it still shows that the display they were in front of was there during this time frame (that was within the past two years) and that they were indeed together in front of it.

Oh, I misunderstood your post. Sorry

Thats the thing though it is not always the case. Whilst you only sent that and that was accepted.......someone else could do exactly the same and get an RFE. Every case is different and each adjudicator is different in what they are going to accept as that proof. If I was an adjudicator and familiar with photoshop I would not just accept a photograph with a newspaper and would issue an RFE for evidence that would back up that photograph by way of boarding passes etc.

I am familiar with Photoshop, and I am fairly certain that I could recognize a fake photo. But I guess you are right, there is a risk that your adjudicator will just think that (s)he can recognize one. And it probably won't matter that it is much easier to make a fake bording pass in PS.

Well, one can always send a 6x6 slide

Bartek

Edited March 13, 2006 by brtlmj

[dirtyd301 0]

well along with the itinerairies and oicture, i sent two of our paychecks from the same date from the same place when i put on the petition how we met was through work on his J1. would that be enough in its self??

diana

[aussiewench 9]

dirtyd301,

IMO you are in a stronger position then many when it comes to evidence as you worked together whilst he was on a J1 visa. Can you get documentation showing that as well as the payslips? Your strongest evidence IMO should be based around that. You only have to show that you have physically met.

[dirtyd301 0]

dirtyd301,

IMO you are in a stronger position then many when it comes to evidence as you worked together whilst he was on a J1 visa. Can you get documentation showing that as well as the payslips? Your strongest evidence IMO should be based around that. You only have to show that you have physically met.

well i could get statements from management saying that we worked together. i am not sure how much more i can get besides all our work and residential information that we put on the petition because he lived here on his own as well. i figure the picture along with paychecks and also the receipt from the engagement ring with both our names on it and it was purchased from a store here in ohio would be enough. if for some reason it isnt i am not sure how else to go about getting more evidence, thats what worries me. also do you know if they can look up his visa information to check and see if it was legit? like do they have access to his previous immigration records?

thank you so much, you give really good information!

diana

[aussiewench 9]

dirtyd301,

IMO you are in a stronger position then many when it comes to evidence as you worked together whilst he was on a J1 visa. Can you get documentation showing that as well as the payslips? Your strongest evidence IMO should be based around that. You only have to show that you have physically met.

well i could get statements from management saying that we worked together. i am not sure how much more i can get besides all our work and residential information that we put on the petition because he lived here on his own as well. i figure the picture along with paychecks and also the receipt from the engagement ring with both our names on it and it was purchased from a store here in ohio would be enough. if for some reason it isnt i am not sure how else to go about getting more evidence, thats what worries me. also do you know if they can look up his visa information to check and see if it was legit? like do they have access to his previous immigration records?

thank you so much, you give really good information!

diana

With the added info above of the engagement ring receipt, in addition to everything else I really believe you will be just fine with all you do have.

They have access to the data bases yes.

Edited March 13, 2006 by aussiewench

[Miranda&James 8]

No, it does prove it in that they were standing in front of a one time only display (only there for a certain few dates) in their picture and the newspaper just confirmed that the display was only there for that date. It wouldn't matter if they got the paper off someone on the street, it still shows that the display they were in front of was there during this time frame (that was within the past two years) and that they were indeed together in front of it.

Oh, I misunderstood your post. Sorry

That's ok

[tenika 0]

MY I=129F was approved and I sent my printed itenararies that I printed on line ,seeing , that I had an E-Ticket. I also sent pictures, a partial boarding pass, and a letter from out church on letter head saying we met, etc. Do you have any recognize organization that knows you met that can make a statement regarding this?

[hockeygal 0]

Evidence is a tough one because, well, I for one do not keep itineraries or boarding passes once I've used them.

We traveled together last week, so I kept those boarding passes that show we flew in separately to one airport, and then had seats next to each other for the next leg of the trip. Other than that, it was itineraries showing proof of payment, and a couple of photos. When I was piecing it all together, I noted that Immigration had not stamped my passport on the past two trips I took, so I didn't even have that to offer. And one of his stamps had the wrong date! One day early. Guess the officer forgot to change his stamp.

Even my credit card statements only go back so far - I am a shredder! So I did my best to compile an overall believable picture of having met the past three times with a little of this and a little of that, but the boarding passes of the last trip will probably be the best I have to offer.

[Yodrak 7]

hockeygal,

You might want to consider changing your habits for the next few years - you're going to have a few immigration events that require evidence to support your claims. The visa petition is only the beginning.

Yodrak

Evidence is a tough one because, well, I for one do not keep itineraries or boarding passes once I've used them.

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Even my credit card statements only go back so far - I am a shredder! ...