Why are we being punished? (I824 bologna)

[m&n 0]

Is there anyone else out there besides me who thinks that this new policy of retaining the I130 if the petitioner has concurrently filed an I129 is absolutely RIDICULOUS???

It is as if we are getting punished......double punished to be exact.....first round is $180 for the I129f....the second round of punishment is the $200 for filing the I824..............absolutely ridiculous.

And these numbers for these forms are driving me crazy.....I130....I129........I824.........G325........I485.......I864..........

I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[m&n 0]

Oh.....and I forgot to add this.........

When you call the ever-so-helpful customer service reps at USCIS to inquire further about this retaining policy...................THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE what on earth you are talking about.............................I actually told the customer service rep today to log onto www.visajourney.com to learn more about the new policy. I asked her about the press release and she was clueless!!

Is there anyone else out there besides me who thinks that this new policy of retaining the I130 if the petitioner has concurrently filed an I129 is absolutely RIDICULOUS???

It is as if we are getting punished......double punished to be exact.....first round is $180 for the I129f....the second round of punishment is the $200 for filing the I824..............absolutely ridiculous.

And these numbers for these forms are driving me crazy.....I130....I129........I824.........G325........I485.......I864..........

I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Donna A 4]

it doesnt stop there either...ull be dishing out more and more money.

[devblt 0]

You do know that the majority of the $$ that fund the immigration department comes from people like us.. who pay these fees.. the government give little or no money to the immigration department

[riblet 0]

The policy itself makes sense, since most people who get an approved I129F will enter on the K3 and adjust status.

What really isn't fair is that the new policy was backdated and the I130 form was not edited, so even though the press release says you can opt out of the presumption, it seems very difficult (or impossible for those of us who have already filed).

[scroll 0]

Would you please post a link to the press release you are refering to? Thanks so much for you help.

[m&n 0]

Exactly, how are you supposed to opt out of it when the customer service reps don't even know what it is you are choosing to opt out of?!?!

I think it is just a policy to ensure that revenue keeps pouring in.....maybe, since now I130 applications are being processed faster.....people won't even bother petitioning for the K-3.....perhaps they lost money because of this....maybe fewer people filed for K-3's......and so, to recover the money they lost they added the clause of ...... well, if you want your immigrant petition to eventually get to NVC..... just dish out another $200.....unfortuately, those paying.....paying both by money and lost time.....are those that filed for the K-3 and paid it's fee as well......

just a theory.........

The policy itself makes sense, since most people who get an approved I129F will enter on the K3 and adjust status.

What really isn't fair is that the new policy was backdated and the I130 form was not edited, so even though the press release says you can opt out of the presumption, it seems very difficult (or impossible for those of us who have already filed).

[riblet 0]

Here's the press release: http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/PN_i-129f.pdf

And here's a thread with some discussion of the new policy: http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...6&hl=policy

Would you please post a link to the press release you are refering to? Thanks so much for you help.

m&n - I know it's hard not to get cynical going through this process - but I'm not sure they're quite that evil And if people don't file the I129F then the I824 won't be needed, as the I130 is only retained if there is an approved I129F petition (from what I've seen)... so basically if they keep doing the I130's faster they won't get money for the I129F or the I824.

Good luck with everything.

Exactly, how are you supposed to opt out of it when the customer service reps don't even know what it is you are choosing to opt out of?!?!

I think it is just a policy to ensure that revenue keeps pouring in.....maybe, since now I130 applications are being processed faster.....people won't even bother petitioning for the K-3.....perhaps they lost money because of this....maybe fewer people filed for K-3's......and so, to recover the money they lost they added the clause of ...... well, if you want your immigrant petition to eventually get to NVC..... just dish out another $200.....unfortuately, those paying.....paying both by money and lost time.....are those that filed for the K-3 and paid it's fee as well......

just a theory.........

[Yodrak 7]

m&n,

I think the new policy makes excellent sense. The less travelling the I-130 file does the less chance of it getting misplaced or of something being lost from it.

Explain to me why, with the way that I-130 and I-129f are being processed now, a person who is interested in a K3 visa would want or need to file the I-824?

And in the situation where someone does have a reason, now that the new policy is in place and people know about it, such a person can clearly indicate on their I-130 that they want it sent to the NVC thereby avoiding the need for I-824.

Yodrak

Is there anyone else out there besides me who thinks that this new policy of retaining the I130 if the petitioner has concurrently filed an I129 is absolutely RIDICULOUS???

It is as if we are getting punished......double punished to be exact.....first round is $180 for the I129f....the second round of punishment is the $200 for filing the I824..............absolutely ridiculous.

And these numbers for these forms are driving me crazy.....I130....I129........I824.........G325........I485.......I864..........

I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[knowledge 0]

Exactly, how are you supposed to opt out of it when the customer service reps don't even know what it is you are choosing to opt out of?!?!

I think it is just a policy to ensure that revenue keeps pouring in.....maybe, since now I130 applications are being processed faster.....people won't even bother petitioning for the K-3.....perhaps they lost money because of this....maybe fewer people filed for K-3's......and so, to recover the money they lost they added the clause of ...... well, if you want your immigrant petition to eventually get to NVC..... just dish out another $200.....unfortuately, those paying.....paying both by money and lost time.....are those that filed for the K-3 and paid it's fee as well......

just a theory.........

The policy itself makes sense, since most people who get an approved I129F will enter on the K3 and adjust status.

What really isn't fair is that the new policy was backdated and the I130 form was not edited, so even though the press release says you can opt out of the presumption, it seems very difficult (or impossible for those of us who have already filed).

Hi there, the I-130 doesn't go all the time faster, see our case, we didn't apply for K-3...and the waiting time begins to be long now...

And also what you said it's interesing: did I understand well that a Customer Rep at the USCIS refered you to VJ?...

Finally, a little theory that my hubby told me and made sens to me is that if they block the I-130, to let continue with the K-3 for those who chosed the 2 routes, might be because they noticed they spend double energy on somebody's case...

Just some thoughts...and good luck!

[Yodrak 7]

m&n,

What customer service reps know or don't know is irrelevant. Customer service reps are not the people who process the petitions.

If there's no I-129f then the I-130 will go to the NVC, as they did before, no I-824 required. So your theory makes no sense at all.

Yodrak

Exactly, how are you supposed to opt out of it when the customer service reps don't even know what it is you are choosing to opt out of?!?!

I think it is just a policy to ensure that revenue keeps pouring in.....maybe, since now I130 applications are being processed faster.....people won't even bother petitioning for the K-3.....perhaps they lost money because of this....maybe fewer people filed for K-3's......and so, to recover the money they lost they added the clause of ...... well, if you want your immigrant petition to eventually get to NVC..... just dish out another $200.....unfortuately, those paying.....paying both by money and lost time.....are those that filed for the K-3 and paid it's fee as well......

just a theory.........

The policy itself makes sense, since most people who get an approved I129F will enter on the K3 and adjust status.

What really isn't fair is that the new policy was backdated and the I130 form was not edited, so even though the press release says you can opt out of the presumption, it seems very difficult (or impossible for those of us who have already filed).

[dougyceci 0]

I have stated this before on another matter and feel the same way here. I see no problem. In an effort to make the process as short as possible, you choose to take both paths. Create double the work and burden on a process you continually complain about. I chose to gamble with the I-130 and not take both routes. Just as this choice was mine, you have made yours. Maybe the USCIS should have one visa and only one visa available to married couples. That is what will be next. Then you can complain about that. Life isn't fair. Never has been, never will be. No one is requiring you to file the I-824 and fee with it. You are more than welcome to abandon the I-130 and proceed with the K-3. If not buck up and pay for the processing. It really is quite simple. Am I cynical, maybe so, but guess I get tired of hearing people complain about everything the gov't does wrong. Why do I never see anyone complain they made a mistake and got an RFE. You paid to have both petitions processed at the USCIS, if you want double processing at the NVC then my feeling is you should pay for it.

[knowledge 0]

I have stated this before on another matter and feel the same way here. I see no problem. In an effort to make the process as short as possible, you choose to take both paths. Create double the work and burden on a process you continually complain about. I chose to gamble with the I-130 and not take both routes. Just as this choice was mine, you have made yours. Maybe the USCIS should have one visa and only one visa available to married couples. That is what will be next. Then you can complain about that. Life isn't fair. Never has been, never will be. No one is requiring you to file the I-824 and fee with it. You are more than welcome to abandon the I-130 and proceed with the K-3. If not buck up and pay for the processing. It really is quite simple. Am I cynical, maybe so, but guess I get tired of hearing people complain about everything the gov't does wrong. Why do I never see anyone complain they made a mistake and got an RFE. You paid to have both petitions processed at the USCIS, if you want double processing at the NVC then my feeling is you should pay for it.

And by the way, you are not cynical, just realistic!!

[scroll 0]

Thanks so much for the information!!

Here's the press release: http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/PN_i-129f.pdf

And here's a thread with some discussion of the new policy: http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...6&hl=policy this link is no longer available.

Edited January 23, 2007 by scroll

[m&n 0]

m&n,

I think the new policy makes excellent sense. The less travelling the I-130 file does the less chance of it getting misplaced or of something being lost from it.

Explain to me why, with the way that I-130 and I-129f are being processed now, a person who is interested in a K3 visa would want or need to file the I-824?

I am not quite sure what you mean.....that is my point.....because of the way that I-130's and I-129f's are being processed....meaning quickly.....many people having them approved on the same day.....then if you can get a greencard rather than a non-immigrant visa.....wouldn't you want that....if the wait time was pretty much the same????

And in the situation where someone does have a reason, now that the new policy is in place and people know about it, such a person can clearly indicate on their I-130 that they want it sent to the NVC thereby avoiding the need for I-824.

Yodrak, that is also my point.....I didn't know about it until I stumbled upon the press release by accident on the internet. How was I supposed to know about it if the policy was put into effect after I filed both the I-129f and the I-130? Many people don't know about it....including the people who work for the USCIS.

Yodrak

Is there anyone else out there besides me who thinks that this new policy of retaining the I130 if the petitioner has concurrently filed an I129 is absolutely RIDICULOUS???

It is as if we are getting punished......double punished to be exact.....first round is $180 for the I129f....the second round of punishment is the $200 for filing the I824..............absolutely ridiculous.

And these numbers for these forms are driving me crazy.....I130....I129........I824.........G325........I485.......I864..........

I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!