Brining my Mom to the USA

[kitkat1 5]

Almost every US Consulate or Embassy website provides information on tourist visa denials. For example:

Visa Denial

Under Section 214b) of the U.S. Immigration and Nationality Act, consular officers must presume that every applicant for a nonimmigrant visa is an intending immigrant until the applicant shows otherwise. The vast majority of refused visa applicants were unable to overcome this presumption. Everyone may re-apply according to the procedure described above. However we recommend that applicants wait one year before reapplying after a visa denial, unless there is a significant change in an applicant's circumstances or other compelling reason for an earlier reapplication.

Applicants for non-immigrant visas must generally prove eligibility by establishing ties to their home country and that they have a legitimate reason for traveling to the U.S. Documents alone never will establish these facts. Invitation letters from the United States are not required.

Denials are due to not being able to prove intent to return.

Having your mother tell the interviewer (assuming she is going to try again) that you are pregnant could ultimately backfire - the interviewer would have more reason to believe that your mother would NOT return home with a new grandchild in the US. And if she wants to care for the child, she needs a work visa.

There's no DCF for tourist visas and no sponsoring a mother if you are not a USC.

John, maybe now you have a teeny tiny bit of sympathy for people who are unable to get tourist visas and then find another way to enter the country . . .

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John, maybe now you have a teeny tiny bit of sympathy for people who are unable to get tourist visas and then find another way to enter the country . . .

and this comment:

Unfortunately, lots of Russian citizens overstay their visas and break the law here. Lots. I go to Russian immigration forums sometimes, and people there openly discuss how to cheat the system and stay in the U.S. It makes me sad, but it's true sad.gif

2 sides to every story.

[kitkat1 5]

John, maybe now you have a teeny tiny bit of sympathy for people who are unable to get tourist visas and then find another way to enter the country . . .

and this comment:

Unfortunately, lots of Russian citizens overstay their visas and break the law here. Lots. I go to Russian immigration forums sometimes, and people there openly discuss how to cheat the system and stay in the U.S. It makes me sad, but it's true sad.gif

2 sides to every story.

Well that was exactly my point to John. It's pretty hard to pass judgement on someone who came into the country illegally without knowing the story behind it. . . I thought maybe seeing this example would give John a bit of insight or perhaps compassion in the case of a now 20-something year old beneficiary of an I-129F application who has to file a waiver because his parents brought him into the country illegally at age 7 . . . but didn't mean to hijack the thread so that's enough of that!

[John and Sonya 0]

Girona40,

Thank you for your attention! That's the problem we have - when she applied she provided a lot of documents you've mentioned - proof of ownership and letter from her employer. My mom is a widower and I'm the only child so I think this is what got them scared that she doesn't have any interest to stay in russia and she will stay in YSA when she comes. But that is not true. She has a job and we don't have any intentions to leave her here unless now and then when I can file I-130 we will do that/ We just don't know what else to do to proov she is not going to stay illigaly here. So SAD!!!!

Sorry to hear about your issue. But I am not sure if your mom metioned that you are pregnant to the interviewer and you want her to be their for the birth or care for you while pregnant? Also have you thought about, and anyone please help me with this that knows more about it, but file for her to immigrate to US as an IR-5? She is an immediate relative to a permanent resident, so she qualifies. Also I think she is eligible for you to file DCF so you are working with the US Embassy in Russia which maybe more understanding as well as quicker? And my understanding, just because she immigrated to US, she can hold dual status and still live in Russia, as long as she visits US so many times? Anyone who knows more about this please help. Also I think she is also eligible for a 7 year visitor VISA?

I am going to do some reading, but if anyone has more info on this, please write. I am just learning of this myself. Good luck you!!

You have to be a Citizen to sponsor a Parent.

You need a Work Visa to undertake child care.

7 year Visa? - Is this a Visa for visiting Russia? Why would a Russian Citizen need one.

DCF does not apply.

A Legal Permanent Resident has to maintain the US as their Primary Residence, an odd visit will not do that.

More learning to do.

Well I been educated Yes I just read that Legal Permanent Resident cannot apply for immigrant VISA until they become US residents. Once she does get her first tourist VISA and returns in a timely manner, followup VISA's will come easier. But the above comments are correct, she has to prove strong ties to Russia, and her having property and money in an account are big part of strong ties. It is suggested in the reading for her to keep applying, I would not lie, especially since she has already applied with other information on file. Also your husband could provide proof of support while she is in the US as a sponsor. But the child comment I made, was that I would stress to the interviewer that she is going to be a grandma and want to see her grandchild birth and assist her daughter during the first couple months that the child is born?

I am glad I came across this discussion, I think it applies to alot of us. My wife wants her parents to come and visit, but they do have a home and a business and funds, so I hope that helps our case. Again I wish the best, terrible situation, but unfortunately, many visitors do not return after they visit and ruins it for the people afterwards.

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There seems to be another conversation going on.

Now I have no first hand knowledge and I sort of butted in on this thread, only because I am down with the flu, but from what those that seem to be in the know seem to be saying is that there is significant visa fraud in Russia which inevitably has consequences for those with genuine applications.

Trying to spot the genuine applications for the others sounds a thankless task.

[John and Sonya 0]

Almost every US Consulate or Embassy website provides information on tourist visa denials. For example:

Visa Denial

Under Section 214b) of the U.S. Immigration and Nationality Act, consular officers must presume that every applicant for a nonimmigrant visa is an intending immigrant until the applicant shows otherwise. The vast majority of refused visa applicants were unable to overcome this presumption. Everyone may re-apply according to the procedure described above. However we recommend that applicants wait one year before reapplying after a visa denial, unless there is a significant change in an applicant's circumstances or other compelling reason for an earlier reapplication.

Applicants for non-immigrant visas must generally prove eligibility by establishing ties to their home country and that they have a legitimate reason for traveling to the U.S. Documents alone never will establish these facts. Invitation letters from the United States are not required.

Denials are due to not being able to prove intent to return.

Having your mother tell the interviewer (assuming she is going to try again) that you are pregnant could ultimately backfire - the interviewer would have more reason to believe that your mother would NOT return home with a new grandchild in the US. And if she wants to care for the child, she needs a work visa.

There's no DCF for tourist visas and no sponsoring a mother if you are not a USC.

John, maybe now you have a teeny tiny bit of sympathy for people who are unable to get tourist visas and then find another way to enter the country . . .

Roxy, do you ever get a clue. I do sympathize, this is someone who does not blame the system nor the president and is not doing anything illegally or telling her daughter that the president is to blame? I may have issues with getting my in-laws here as well, but I am sure its not because they smoked dope or lived here illegally and broke numerous laws. You really need to read her profile and get the big picture! Annebelle is a total different situation!

[kitkat1 5]

But the child comment I made, was that I would stress to the interviewer that she is going to be a grandma and want to see her grandchild birth and assist her daughter during the first couple months that the child is born?

It all comes down to strong economic ties and intent to return.

It would pretty much be a waste of time to reapply without new, stronger proof.

Telling the interviewer that she is going to be a grandma, wants to see her birth and to assist her daughter just gives more reason to believe that she will NOT return to Russia . . . and may bring up the issue of needing a work visa to care for the child.

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Girona40,

Thank you for your attention! That's the problem we have - when she applied she provided a lot of documents you've mentioned - proof of ownership and letter from her employer. My mom is a widower and I'm the only child so I think this is what got them scared that she doesn't have any interest to stay in russia and she will stay in YSA when she comes. But that is not true. She has a job and we don't have any intentions to leave her here unless now and then when I can file I-130 we will do that/ We just don't know what else to do to proov she is not going to stay illigaly here. So SAD!!!!

Sorry to hear about your issue. But I am not sure if your mom metioned that you are pregnant to the interviewer and you want her to be their for the birth or care for you while pregnant? Also have you thought about, and anyone please help me with this that knows more about it, but file for her to immigrate to US as an IR-5? She is an immediate relative to a permanent resident, so she qualifies. Also I think she is eligible for you to file DCF so you are working with the US Embassy in Russia which maybe more understanding as well as quicker? And my understanding, just because she immigrated to US, she can hold dual status and still live in Russia, as long as she visits US so many times? Anyone who knows more about this please help. Also I think she is also eligible for a 7 year visitor VISA?

I am going to do some reading, but if anyone has more info on this, please write. I am just learning of this myself. Good luck you!!

You have to be a Citizen to sponsor a Parent.

You need a Work Visa to undertake child care.

7 year Visa? - Is this a Visa for visiting Russia? Why would a Russian Citizen need one.

DCF does not apply.

A Legal Permanent Resident has to maintain the US as their Primary Residence, an odd visit will not do that.

More learning to do.

Well I been educated Yes I just read that Legal Permanent Resident cannot apply for immigrant VISA until they become US residents. Once she does get her first tourist VISA and returns in a timely manner, followup VISA's will come easier. But the above comments are correct, she has to prove strong ties to Russia, and her having property and money in an account are big part of strong ties. It is suggested in the reading for her to keep applying, I would not lie, especially since she has already applied with other information on file. Also your husband could provide proof of support while she is in the US as a sponsor. But the child comment I made, was that I would stress to the interviewer that she is going to be a grandma and want to see her grandchild birth and assist her daughter during the first couple months that the child is born?

I am glad I came across this discussion, I think it applies to alot of us. My wife wants her parents to come and visit, but they do have a home and a business and funds, so I hope that helps our case. Again I wish the best, terrible situation, but unfortunately, many visitors do not return after they visit and ruins it for the people afterwards.

Nothing wrong with wanting to visit your grandchild, caring for them is another matter.

I have, probably needed to have my EAD to do so.

There is obviously a fine line between visiting and providing child care.

Needing to be there so the mother can go back to work is an obvious no no.

[kitkat1 5]

Roxy, do you ever get a clue. I do sympathize, this is someone who does not blame the system nor the president and is not doing anything illegally or telling her daughter that the president is to blame? I may have issues with getting my in-laws here as well, but I am sure its not because they smoked dope or lived here illegally and broke numerous laws. You really need to read her profile and get the big picture! Annebelle is a total different situation!

I am not Roxy. And my point was simply that you cannot just pass judgement without knowing the story - which is that Roxy's husband lived in the US illegally because his parents brought him at the age of 7 - it's impossible for me to understand how you can hold that against him. The drug use, yes, I agree. Other than that, he did not break numerous laws, he was not deported, and I couldn't care less what Roxy decides to tell her child.

Sorry for hijacking!

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Roxy, do you ever get a clue. I do sympathize, this is someone who does not blame the system nor the president and is not doing anything illegally or telling her daughter that the president is to blame? I may have issues with getting my in-laws here as well, but I am sure its not because they smoked dope or lived here illegally and broke numerous laws. You really need to read her profile and get the big picture! Annebelle is a total different situation!

I am not Roxy. And my point was simply that you cannot just pass judgement without knowing the story - which is that Roxy's husband lived in the US illegally because his parents brought him at the age of 7 - it's impossible for me to understand how you can hold that against him. The drug use, yes, I agree. Other than that, he did not break numerous laws, he was not deported, and I couldn't care less what Roxy decides to tell her child.

Sorry for hijacking!

Who is Roxy?

Anyway a 7 year old does not accumulate illegal presence. Obviously deportable.

Would need to be 18 1/2, big boy, before that became an issue.

[John and Sonya 0]

Roxy, do you ever get a clue. I do sympathize, this is someone who does not blame the system nor the president and is not doing anything illegally or telling her daughter that the president is to blame? I may have issues with getting my in-laws here as well, but I am sure its not because they smoked dope or lived here illegally and broke numerous laws. You really need to read her profile and get the big picture! Annebelle is a total different situation!

I am not Roxy. And my point was simply that you cannot just pass judgement without knowing the story - which is that Roxy's husband lived in the US illegally because his parents brought him at the age of 7 - it's impossible for me to understand how you can hold that against him. The drug use, yes, I agree. Other than that, he did not break numerous laws, he was not deported, and I couldn't care less what Roxy decides to tell her child.

Sorry for hijacking!

He is 22 now!!! He still does not realize he is a illegal immigrant????????????????????? Sory about the Roxy, I am use to her nasty e-mails. True he was not deported, he left before USCIS had a chance. And I dont have to pass judgment, it was done by immigration. Sorry about this, its suppose to be about Annabelle, I found this message preparing to go through same scenerio. KitKat, I am done about the drug smoking, rough on the wife, President fault, worthless system, illegal alien thread, I am moving on, lets agree to disagree PLEASE!!!!

[Satellite 1]

Who is Roxy?

I am also confused about who is Roxy.

[Nancy2015 2]

Another possible route, (and I don't condone this) is for your mother to "pay the fine" for getting her paperwork done properly by her local "agents" that handle that sort of thing

Things like that are possible in Russia.

And at the US Consulate?

Russians are very good at lying, cheating, and stealing. You can see it today from the top of the government and oligarchs all the way down to the common folk. So to present false documents with a straight face is no problem for most Russians. And how will the CO prove that the documents are false? They have all the proper seals and stamps. I am sure it is done with success more times than we want to imagine.

Oleg Gazmanov - Novoya zarya gives a comical insight into Russian bribery and stealing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfyYZ9Q2vHI

Satellite. I understand your point, but I have to say it's sounds kind of harsh and even hateful. You could have said "A lot of Russians are good at lying...", yet you just said "Russians", which encompasses us all. And I feel offended by it, because this is a generalization, and there's lots of Russians who are not good at demonstrating the above mentioned types of immoral behavior.

I know there's lots of scammers, but there's also a lot of normal honest people.

[Boiler 45,404]

Another possible route, (and I don't condone this) is for your mother to "pay the fine" for getting her paperwork done properly by her local "agents" that handle that sort of thing

Things like that are possible in Russia.

And at the US Consulate?

Russians are very good at lying, cheating, and stealing. You can see it today from the top of the government and oligarchs all the way down to the common folk. So to present false documents with a straight face is no problem for most Russians. And how will the CO prove that the documents are false? They have all the proper seals and stamps. I am sure it is done with success more times than we want to imagine.

Oleg Gazmanov - Novoya zarya gives a comical insight into Russian bribery and stealing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfyYZ9Q2vHI

Satellite. I understand your point, but I have to say it's sounds kind of harsh and even hateful. You could have said "A lot of Russians are good at lying...", yet you just said "Russians", which encompasses us all. And I feel offended by it, because this is a generalization, and there's lots of Russians who are not good at demonstrating the above mentioned types of immoral behavior.

I know there's lots of scammers, but there's also a lot of normal honest people.

I forgot to say, did look at the you tube link, now I had tto guess the lyrics but I got the gist. Very good.

[Satellite 1]

I understand your point, but I have to say it's sounds kind of harsh and even hateful. You could have said "A lot of Russians are good at lying...", yet you just said "Russians", which encompasses us all. And I feel offended by it, because this is a generalization, and there's lots of Russians who are not good at demonstrating the above mentioned types of immoral behavior.

I know there's lots of scammers, but there's also a lot of normal honest people.

You shouldn't be offended. I was born in the same USSR as you. It's embedded in the culture, it's a survival mechanism in an a bigger social structure that no one person can really change. I don't hate it, in a way I am quite proud of the Russian people for their ingenuity and ability to fool others outside of Russia. You should see the stuff "some" of them pull here in the US. But at the same time it sadness me.

I'll try to be more careful with using "some" or "most" instead of "all." But as you and I know, there is no all inclusive rule for social generalizations such as the one I made in this thread. In the end its just an opinion, take it with a grain of salt.

Edited January 10, 2007 by Satellite