2.5 months in AR followed by denial

[AmyWrites 593]

Actually I met her 3 days before I left the Philippines and We spent 2 of those 3 days together, which the requirement's state, Meet in person within 2 years, pictures, e-mails, facebook screen shots, wedding band receipts submitted. I would agree with You except I didn't come back and file in 1 week or even 1 month more like 10 months later I filed after getting to know her. Relationship as defined is involvement, I'm helping to support her 100% so there's a clear relationship, submitted all receipts, If they would have denied it based on there belief of immigration purpose I would except that more than not having a serious relationship. 2 scenarios #1.I'm handicapped and can't travel but I met My fiancee online I can file a hardship waiver so time spent together is not relevant. #2. I go to the Philippines meet My fiancee there stay for 1 month come back file a K1 visa what is the reason they give You 90 days to marry and see if it's going to work when she gets here? True it may not get approved, but it was a horrible reason and I will return there in March 2012. thank you for you comment

I really don't want to say this, but when I read that you met her for three days and you "support her 100%", first reaction is SCAM.

And this is us VJers, the CO probably thinks this, only worse. You really need to spend more time with her in order to get approval.

[BlueBonnet 84]

I'm helping to support her 100% so there's a clear relationship, submitted all receipts,

Um . . .

I really want to just leave it at that ... I really really do ... but I cant.

Lets say, that Im a CO/IO, and I know that you have met someone from a HF country, and you have known her for 2 days, and you say you are in love, and you support her finacialy 100%, and you want to move her to the USA . . . Now let me look at this on the other side . . . She allows you to support her finacialy 100%, she is willing to leave her family, job, home, friends, country, life, for someone shes spent 24 hours with, AND shes HF . . .

If this woman is allowing you to give her money for things she needs or wants, how did she survive before you ? Who was doing it for her then ? Where is her own morals here not to be bought ? ( I send my fiance money too, dont get me wrong, but I didnt do it monthly, I certainly didnt help him pay his bills ) But you look like someone who is being used, and she is doing all the using. Wanna know if Im right ? Dont send her any money again, say you are saving for the plane ride over because you need to spend more time together for the application.

Sometimes when youre "in" the relationship you cant see the truth, but the CO/IO who has no emotional investment, and has seen it over and over again, they can see the truth from a mile away. I think they are doing you a favor before you get taken for a ride. But . . . I could be wrong, I dont know either of you, I can just see how it looks based on what youve said.

Good luck

[Zharren Young 32]

I really don't want to say this, but when I read that you met her for three days and you "support her 100%", first reaction is SCAM.

And this is us VJers, the CO probably thinks this, only worse. You really need to spend more time with her in order to get approval.

Agreed! Always expect the unexpected thought & imagination/reaction from the CO. With all these fraud going on, failed K1 cases which most of them had a valid docs, required meeting time during interview yet when arrive here in the US it all falls apart and end up splitting not to mention of choosing to be illegal, i really cant blame the CO for his decision. Plus i think your fiance didnt have a nice conversation with her CO during her interview and thats really is a plus

[pddp 240]

All else aside, just wanted to comment on the 90 days you have to get married on a K1... It's hardly reasonable to expect anyone to leave their whole life behind and move half way across the world "to see if things work out" with someone, don't you think? I would think you'd wanna be pretty damn sure that they will at that point, but maybe that's just me..

[macdre-209 1]

I really don't want to say this, but when I read that you met her for three days and you "support her 100%", first reaction is SCAM.

And this is us VJers, the CO probably thinks this, only worse. You really need to spend more time with her in order to get approval.

And I thought Russia is in the number 1 spot when it comes to scam issues followed by Nigeria.

Hi all, this is Macdre's fiance, and I really appreciate the above comments. Some are REAL advices (Thank you jameugiexavi, and others who suggested that we take the spousal route) but for some who just made "plain" comments, uhmm.. heres a cookie for you guys, but thanks for the advice anyway. I think y'all need to know the whole story first than just make your own guess.

Edited November 27, 2011 by macdre-209

[BlueBonnet 84]

Sorry, I hope youre not overly offended, but you have been denied already.

And dont think the CR1 route is an automatic approval either, you can be denied there too.

We, the users here, can only give our opinions and advise based on what the OP says, and what he said, didnt look good to us.

[macdre-209 1]

Sorry, I hope youre not overly offended, but you have been denied already.

And dont think the CR1 route is an automatic approval either, you can be denied there too.

We, the users here, can only give our opinions and advise based on what the OP says, and what he said, didnt look good to us.

No ma'am/Sir, not offended at all but just wondering why the "side comments" when all my fiance came here for is to seek some consular advice, from people who dealt with the same issue, not from people who didn't even go through hardship dealing with the embassy? But yet they come here throwing your deuces with your so called "advise" I am here because I just thought that the previous comments are too "personal" and yet, they don't even know the whole story.

And don't worry, we are fully aware that every immigrant or non immigrant petition doesn't mean automatic approval, we know this. That's why there's what we call "visa application process." it's clearly stated on the NOA2. Anyway, thank you for your opinion as well, much appreciated.

[BlueBonnet 84]

All we can go on - the whole story as you put it - is that he knew you for 3 days, and was with you for 2. We know that the bene is from a HF country and that he sends money to the bene. Thats all we know and the OP requested advise and insight. You can call it side remarks if you like, I call it honesty and sometimes people dont want to hear that. Anyone who posts here is going to get real opinions, advise and help, we as the people responding have that right as the OP has given it to us when looking for answers.

I think you are in AP because of the amount of time spent together, I suggested stop sending money and save for plane ticket to get back to the bene to get more evidence .. I think that was good advise.

But the only person who can really do anything about your situation is the IO. Its them you have to convince, not us.

As for the advise of CR1 - you can do that, that means he has to purchase that plane ticket and spend more time with the bene, Im just stating a fact that a CR1 isnt automatic approval, again, I think this is good advice.

Good luck on whatever route you decide to take

[macdre-209 1]

Um . . .

I really want to just leave it at that ... I really really do ... but I cant.

Lets say, that Im a CO/IO, and I know that you have met someone from a HF country, and you have known her for 2 days, and you say you are in love, and you support her finacialy 100%, and you want to move her to the USA . . . Now let me look at this on the other side . . . She allows you to support her finacialy 100%, she is willing to leave her family, job, home, friends, country, life, for someone shes spent 24 hours with, AND shes HF . . .

If this woman is allowing you to give her money for things she needs or wants, how did she survive before you ? Who was doing it for her then ? Where is her own morals here not to be bought ? ( I send my fiance money too, dont get me wrong, but I didnt do it monthly, I certainly didnt help him pay his bills ) But you look like someone who is being used, and she is doing all the using. Wanna know if Im right ? Dont send her any money again, say you are saving for the plane ride over because you need to spend more time together for the application.

This one right here... SMH

But then again, you don't know me or my fiance. And just for the record, the support thing only started when I resigned from my job 4-5 months ago. Something happened at my job that forced me to resign. I loved my job but I love my future family more and i dont regret my decision. I am happy, everybodys happy. My fiance offered to support me and my children financially and I had to think about for a month.. I'm not used to being supported or pampered since I got me my very first job, even by my parents... But the situation got too complicated 6 mos ago so I had to take my fiance's offer. I wonder how many fiance's or wives that are being taken care of by their man and husband and not being judged.

[macdre-209 1]

All we can go on - the whole story as you put it - is that he knew you for 3 days, and was with you for 2. We know that the bene is from a HF country and that he sends money to the bene. Thats all we know and the OP requested advise and insight. You can call it side remarks if you like, I call it honesty and sometimes people dont want to hear that. Anyone who posts here is going to get real opinions, advise and help, we as the people responding have that right as the OP has given it to us when looking for answers.

I think you are in AP because of the amount of time spent together, I suggested stop sending money and save for plane ticket to get back to the bene to get more evidence .. I think that was good advise.

But the only person who can really do anything about your situation is the IO. Its them you have to convince, not us.

As for the advise of CR1 - you can do that, that means he has to purchase that plane ticket and spend more time with the bene, Im just stating a fact that a CR1 isnt automatic approval, again, I think this is good advice.

Good luck on whatever route you decide to take

Point taken Sir. It's silly cause I was just about to post our love story and visa journey here to enlighten the people and to make side comments stop cause I'm starting to feel like I'm the bad guy here but nah... You are right, it's not you people we need to convince. Sometimes I forget that it's not about the people (sorry love) IT'S ABOUT US. Thanks for reminding me anyway Bluebonnet.

[BlueBonnet 84]

Im not willing to do this anymore.

The facts as have been presented to us, as I can see, before this above posting is,

You met, and saw each other for 2 days.

In Aug. the petition was started.

You come from a HF country.

He sends you money.

So, what I read is that hes known you for 4 months.

Normally people in a relationship for 4 months dont marry, normaly people from a different country wont give up everything for someone they barely know.

Your above posting now states 6 months.

If you want accurate infomation and advice from us, please provide accurate information to us.

The fact remains that your petition has failed based on the fact that the IO didnt believe you. I can see why based on ( prior to your above posting ) why. To say it straight out, without knowing the behind the scene details, it looks like you met an american, whom sends you money, and you are willing to leave a country that is known for people using americans just to get a greencard.

What kind of advice were you really looking for ? People usualy ask for advice before sending the petition, not after a decision has been made. If he had posted before hand that he sends you money all the time, 99% of the people would have told him not to disclose that information in the petition. 99% of the people here wouldve told him to see you a couple more times, 99% of the people here wouldve told him to go to the interview with you.

You two have made some mistakes in your petition, hence your denial. Like I said, its not us here that you have to prove your relationship to, its the IO, and he doesnt believe you.

Your choices are:

1) Get married and file the CR1

2) Forget that K1, and start over - spend time together, have more visits, collect more evidence, let some time pass, and refile.

3) Call his congressperson and have it looked into

The above 3 comments are without emotion, they are the only things that you can do, besides just wait out the AP or give up the relationship. I dont think there is anymore advice other than that.

I dont want to argue with you, I gave you my opinion based on my thought process and feelings about it. Now I feel that I have given you some information based on the legalities of your choices.

Im not willing to do this anymore.

The facts as have been presented to us, as I can see, before this above posting is,

You met, and saw each other for 2 days.

In Aug. the petition was started.

You come from a HF country.

He sends you money.

So, what I read is that hes known you for 4 months.

Normally people in a relationship for 4 months dont marry, normaly people from a different country wont give up everything for someone they barely know.

Your above posting now states 6 months.

If you want accurate infomation and advice from us, please provide accurate information to us.

The fact remains that your petition has failed based on the fact that the IO didnt believe you. I can see why based on ( prior to your above posting ) why. To say it straight out, without knowing the behind the scene details, it looks like you met an american, whom sends you money, and you are willing to leave a country that is known for people using americans just to get a greencard.

What kind of advice were you really looking for ? People usualy ask for advice before sending the petition, not after a decision has been made. If he had posted before hand that he sends you money all the time, 99% of the people would have told him not to disclose that information in the petition. 99% of the people here wouldve told him to see you a couple more times, 99% of the people here wouldve told him to go to the interview with you.

You two have made some mistakes in your petition, hence your denial. Like I said, its not us here that you have to prove your relationship to, its the IO, and he doesnt believe you.

Your choices are:

1) Get married and file the CR1

2) Forget that K1, and start over - spend time together, have more visits, collect more evidence, let some time pass, and refile.

3) Call his congressperson and have it looked into

The above 3 comments are without emotion, they are the only things that you can do, besides just wait out the AP or give up the relationship. I dont think there is anymore advice other than that.

I dont want to argue with you, I gave you my opinion based on my thought process and feelings about it. Now I feel that I have given you some information based on the legalities of your choices.

[AmyWrites 593]

And I thought Russia is in the number 1 spot when it comes to scam issues followed by Nigeria.

Hi all, this is Macdre's fiance, and I really appreciate the above comments. Some are REAL advices (Thank you jameugiexavi, and others who suggested that we take the spousal route) but for some who just made "plain" comments, uhmm.. heres a cookie for you guys, but thanks for the advice anyway.  I think y'all need to know the whole story first than just make your own guess.

Actually Russia is pretty low fraud in comparison to the Philipines. My SO got a tourist visa easily, I can't say the same about the Philipines, sadly.

Fact is, 2 days of being with someone will raise eyebrows in ANY situation... your CO is no exception. Regardless of whether or not this case is true or not, you need more time together to convince the CO to give you a visa. It's nothing personal against you as a couple, it's just how things are. These types of visas require proof of a relationship. Few people have a relationship after two days, so the odds are greatly against you. Spend more time together, more pictures, wait a bit. Your chances seem too little otherwise.

[macdre-209 1]

Um . . .

I really want to just leave it at that ... I really really do ... but I cant.

Lets say, that Im a CO/IO, and I know that you have met someone from a HF country, and you have known her for 2 days, and you say you are in love, and you support her finacialy 100%, and you want to move her to the USA . . . Now let me look at this on the other side . . . She allows you to support her finacialy 100%, she is willing to leave her family, job, home, friends, country, life, for someone shes spent 24 hours with, AND shes HF . . .

If this woman is allowing you to give her money for things she needs or wants, how did she survive before you ? Who was doing it for her then ? Where is her own morals here not to be bought ? ( I send my fiance money too, dont get me wrong, but I didnt do it monthly, I certainly didnt help him pay his bills ) But you look like someone who is being used, and she is doing all the using. Wanna know if Im right ? Dont send her any money again, say you are saving for the plane ride over because you need to spend more time together for the application.

Sometimes when youre "in" the relationship you cant see the truth, but the CO/IO who has no emotional investment, and has seen it over and over again, they can see the truth from a mile away. I think they are doing you a favor before you get taken for a ride. But . . . I could be wrong, I dont know either of you, I can just see how it looks based on what youve said.

Good luck

Thank You for Your comment We are learning from it and I only support her 100% now because I asked her to quit her job, she had issue of sexual harassment from a american guy, she really wouldn't take any money from me when I would try to help her that's why we clicked cause of her traditional values. She actually posted this topic, as You should tell by My replies are more in facts and not with passion, I never would take the comment here personal but I will use them to My advantage, I just don't really believe time spent make that big of a difference but in immigration I was wrong. I see people getting married in less time in a year and a half but I will go back to the Philippines in March 2012 as My PTO will allow. I'm going to of course appeal to consulate with a letter to reconsider, but of course I already think they won't, I contacted My senator already, but I'm not even upset at the consulate, We are in a scam and terrorist day and age and He has to weed the good and the bad out and We made are selves look guilty by falling in love to quickly and doing things the wrong way, so the next time around We will do it right Thank You again..

[macdre-209 1]

Re-consideration now accepted visa approved on December 13,2011. I want to thank everyone for Your comments, I took some the advice here and I also went to other forums. Things I did, I e-mailed the manila embassy and explained the situation in facts such as I explained that If I was planing on defrauding the US Immigration would I have made up a story of staying with My Fiancee for 48 hours and I was in the Philippines 9 days? Would've just said 9 hello. The next thing I did was I explained that I have joint custody of My 2 kids, I have My son full time and My daughter summer months of odd years so I cannot travel in odd years that's why there was no return in 2011 and then I submitted Certified custody papers. Next I explained that In April 2011 I was diagnosed with stage 1a cancer on my right kidney and had surgery to remove a Th of my kidney and couldn't travel and submitted My diagnosis papers and surgical papers, and last I started contacting congressmen and senators and every e-mail I sent to them I would CC the Embassy so they could see that I'm very Serious about My Fiancee. done deal visa approved, Jan 20 or 27 or Feb 3rd are that arrivals dates we are thinking of!! thanks Visa Journey!! This post if from the Fiance so You see I only post in facts and never took anything here personal :thumbs:

[TeddyHoney 42]

Wow! You know,only your fiancee is the one who knows your heart, and you hers. It is so refreshing to read about someone who despite what anyone else thought, stuck to his guns and went with his heart. And look at your reward for doing that! Very admirable, on both your parts! Sometimes you just have to go with your heart!

Congratulations and God bless you both in your lives together!