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[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Look into the true origins of the Tea Party. I found this documentary (made by an Australian filmmaker) to be very enlightening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO_WC0FINmA

There is no such thing as "white" magazine. White is simply the default.

As far as Herman Cain goes... I don't go very far into researching Republican candidates, because there is simply no way that any Republican candidate in the current state of the Republican party would be someone I would agree with. And his 9-9-9 plan indeed sounds like a gimmick created by a pizza chain that would increase taxes on consumer goods, thus hurting the poor/middle class more. Plus, what about states' rights, that thing that Republicans are supposedly all about? Wouldn't a national sales and business tax impede on, say, Delaware's ability to attract commerce?

The origin of the Democratic party was in the support of slavery. So what?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Wouldn't a national sales and business tax impede on, say, Delaware's ability to attract commerce?

Not if it replaces the 2nd highest corporate tax in the world. The federal sales tax replaces the federal income tax (at least in large part). How would it be more of an infringement?

states are still free to decide if they want a state sales tax. Not at all related.

whatever advantages Delware offers would still be present. Federal tax applies to everyone equally, whether in the form of sales or income tax.

Eeekee yo sound as though you are interested in such things but uninformed. Check out the FAIR TAX or the 9-9-9 plan for yourself. Google "FAIR TAX" or go to HermanCain.com

Otherwise you are not likely to hear the truth about either. OR just say bad words about both plans and vote for Democrats. Your choice.

[ONA 133]

Russian people vote for Putin cause of all the stability they got after he came into power. You don't know what the 90's were in Russia, so what the hell are you talking about? People weren't paid for months before that, 2 Chechen wars, worse than ever economy, fall of the industry etc. - and here comes Putin with his charisma, flying the jet - whatever. The retired people get their pensions raised all of the time, so they think - cool, it's like Communism, forget about all that democratic bs with all of the instability - we like him. And the majority of people, who really goes to elections and votes are the retired people.

People of my age don't go to elections (that's why this bs that students in universities are forced to vote for anybody sounds so funny to me), although, I think they're making it worse by not going. I go just so nobody will steal my vote - even if I I drew a flower on my ballot, it means it's used and it's used by me, not by somebody else.

Thinking that Russian people vote for Putin cause they don't like Ukraine and Belarus and want their resources or economy or I don't know what is so wrong... cause Russian people have enough problems of their own to even think about Ukrainian problems.

[Inna & Brian 11]

And look at LvivLover's post... Obama just seemed "suspicious." To me, the only thing he did was represent something subversive to White Male Hegemony.

Sorry eekee but I have to jump on you from the left. I know your heart is in the right place but your view of Obama is so 2008.

Most liberals are totally disgusted by Obama. He has been a disaster. He IS Wall Street. His financial reform law (Dodd-Frank) was a total give away to the biggest banks. It disfavors local banks and makes it much easier for the big banks to acquire them. Obama and his administration are totally controlled by Goldman-Sachs, Bank of America, GE and hedge funds. Obama is the biggest crony in crony capitalism.

Don’t get me started on his hypocrisy on war and civil liberties. Obama has greatly expanded drone attacks with a huge rise in civilian causalities and he started a new war in Libya for French oil.

My God, he has even authorized the “killing on sight” of American citizens without any congressional law or judicial review. Gitmo is still open and Bagram detention facility has been hugely expanded. He has expanded wiretap authority and even orchestrated a crackdown on medical marijuana sales in California.

The left would love to see Obama challenged in the primary but there does not seem to be anyone willing to step up and defend liberal values.

The race card is not being used much (or at least not effectively) against the Teaparty. There is a very interesting convergence going on right now. The Teaparty and Occupy Wall Street are both legitimate grass roots organizations. They are both are raging against the elites. Their solutions are totally different but if a politician can somehow bridge the Teaparty and OWS they will be elected in a landslide.

[Inna & Brian 11]

Russian people vote for Putin cause of all the stability they got after he came into power. You don't know what the 90's were in Russia, so what the hell are you talking about? People weren't paid for months before that, 2 Chechen wars, worse than ever economy, fall of the industry etc. - and here comes Putin with his charisma, flying the jet - whatever. The retired people get their pensions raised all of the time, so they think - cool, it's like Communism, forget about all that democratic bs with all of the instability - we like him. And the majority of people, who really goes to elections and votes are the retired people.

This sounds exactly right to me.

It is difficult to be concerned with democratic theory when you can barely keep your family fed and your mother is living on $150 a month. Putin did stop the chaos but he and his cronies raped the country. Russia will never advance with Putin in charge but it is asking a lot of people to risk another crisis or collapse.

[LvivLovers 39]

Why are you bringing this up when it is not relevant to the discussion at hand?

LvivLovers... "Parents will pay more..." which parents? My parents were wealthy, I went to expensive private schools my whole life, and there were some scholarship programs for talented students, but I don't think that privatizing education is the answer. I think that EVERYONE should have access to a decent education, regardless of their parents' net worth. If we had spent what we spent on the Iraq and Afghan Wars on education and healthcare, we'd be halfway there.

There are some tough decisions for sure....I don't have all the answers. But I do feel pretty certain in saying that most of the department of education is worthless. Education should be handled at a local level so the money stays close to where it is spent and doesn't disappear into a black hole. Money should be spent on schools and GOOD teachers...not thrown away to a bunch of bureaucrats that add little or no value.

[visaveteran1 33]

How did Putin come to power? Drunken Boris Yeltsin, Czar of the chaos, picked him. Showing his bare chest on a horse had nothing to do with his rise. It just pushes a phony macho imagine. Things blow up in Russia and nothing happens cause Putin is all talk. Things blow up in England and they arrest 1000 people.

[LvivLovers 39]

Good news, glad to see your wife enjoys it also. Alla loves it and it is something we do together each week. Alla is beginning to get very particular in her preferences for ammo, equipment, even how the trigger pull is adjusted on her rifle.

I thought she'd be a little afraid but she picked it right up. We were shooting Glock 22s as that's the gun my brother recommended for us. I'm not sure if it's like this at all shooting ranges, but the one right next to our house is indoor...you hang up your target and punch in the yds you want on a little box and it puts the target out there. It'll be a while before either of us are at the level you and Alla are at for sure, but it's a lot of fun!

As for the Tea Party, I am not a member and do not identify myself as one, or any other party for that matter. But the Tea Party members seem to be favoring Herman Cain. So much for being racists.

Yeah...I mean like I said...there's bound to be some in any group, but I've never known one or even seen anything racist at any gathering...I definitely wouldn't say it is a defining characteristic by any means (unless I was just trying to spout propaganda).

The 9-9-9 plan is not a gimmick. If someone thinks it is they do not understand it or have been lied to. The people that would be damaged by it, attorneys, accountants and politicians, like to fling about lies and horrible sounding (but meaningless) words.

Don't forget that it would get rid of most of the IRS! That's enough reason right there for me to try it!

Read it, understand it. I am not a supporter of 9-9-9, but I am a believer that we MUST change the abominally obscene tax code we currently have completely and start over. I prefer the FAIR TAX myself, but Cain seems to be the only one with a clue. We MUST change this first because EVERY OTHER attempt to fix ANY other problem always truns into a "who pays for this" deadlock. 9-9-9 answers that and takes the politics right out of it. THAT is what a revenue system should do. We cannot, CANNOT allow the revenue stream for our government to be threatened, politicized, and gamed.

Yeah...I'm not a 9-9-9 fanatic by any means...but I do know if we don't do something different, well nothing is going to change. It would certainly be better than what we have now. If things need to be modified later, then so be it. It actually is slightly more complex than what it sounds at face value...for example...there are provisions to help poor people as well. The big challenge is whether people will take the time to understand it. Change is hard to drive but we honestly need a totally different system. I don't know anyone who doesn't think this one is very broken.

John McCian was born in the US Panama Canal Zone NOT "Panama" which makes him as much a native born citizen as anyone born in Kansas. To usggest otherwise would be to say that Obama was not born in Hawaii but on "some remote Pacific Island" Obama had never even produced a birth certificate which all of us had to do to get our wives/fiancees here and I see no reason why the same could not be expected of the President. It was ridiculous for it to drag out as it did. I think the requirements for President ough to tbe as strictly enforced, at least, as those required to get an approved I-129f petition.

Well put. This reminds me of another thing that pisses me off. Not being able to ask a person to prove their citizenship when they apply for a job, loan, apartment, school, etc. like it's just going to be so unfair. It's a BS excuse for not enforcing the law. Card everyone just like you do when someone wants to buy alcohol. I don't see people crying about getting carded for that. If they'd remove all the magnets here to bring in illegals, we wouldn't have them. And we wouldn't have that moral dilemma about what to do about kids/other family members that have been here illegally their whole lives. That's caused by the lack of enforcement across the board.

[LvivLovers 39]

The race card is not being used much (or at least not effectively) against the Teaparty. There is a very interesting convergence going on right now. The Teaparty and Occupy Wall Street are both legitimate grass roots organizations. They are both are raging against the elites. Their solutions are totally different but if a politician can somehow bridge the Teaparty and OWS they will be elected in a landslide.

This is true. I agree with some of the things OWS is preaching. But some of them seem like freeloaders to me as well. lol

Like all this stuff about mortgage documentation...I think that's BS technicality stuff. If you took out a loan and agreed to it, you should pay it off. It sucks if you paid more than you should have or lied about how much you made, but that's life. The whole mortgage system was outdated and the industry evolved to bring it into the 21st century...regulators had plenty of time to do something about it, but they didn't. After some number of years, I think you have a de facto standard. I mean, what if this had been the way it was done for 100 years? Everything ever done is invalid and we go back and cancel it all? No...that's just stupid. Some people are just looking for an excuse for a free ride.

[Inna & Brian 11]

This is true. I agree with some of the things OWS is preaching. But some of them seem like freeloaders to me as well. lol

I know. The visuals from the campers are really bad. It is the same with the Teaparty. The media went and found the most outrageous people and signs. I also dislike the socialist/communist vibe from many of the OWS. But they are not liberals. They are "anarchists."

Cain is really interesting. I don't hear too many libs bad mouthing him. They like parts of his 9-9-9 plan because of the simplicity, doing away with the regressive payroll tax and the VAT aspect. Maybe a compromise is possible. Make it less regressive by adding protection for the less wealthy and a few more brackets.

And he came out sort of pro-choice. That surprised a lot of people. I don't think Cain is the guy to bridge these two movements but who knows. Teaparty and OWS both have a belief that the system is not working for average people anymore and the American dream is slipping away. They have the same ultimate goal. I just hope we can find common ground.

I don't know what to do about the mortgage situation. The laws are the same as they have always been and the banks have to follow the law. I can't sue for breach of a contract if I cannot prove a contract with me exists. So why should the banks? It will take time but everything will eventually shake out. The delay may even be intentional. I think banks would prefer someone living in a foreclosed property. At least the house will be taken care of (to an extent). Many empty foreclosed homes will have to be torn down.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I know. The visuals from the campers are really bad. It is the same with the Teaparty. The media went and found the most outrageous people and signs. I also dislike the socialist/communist vibe from many of the OWS. But they are not liberals. They are "anarchists."

Cain is really interesting. I don't hear too many libs bad mouthing him. They like parts of his 9-9-9 plan because of the simplicity, doing away with the regressive payroll tax and the VAT aspect. Maybe a compromise is possible. Make it less regressive by adding protection for the less wealthy and a few more brackets.

And he came out sort of pro-choice. That surprised a lot of people. I don't think Cain is the guy to bridge these two movements but who knows. Teaparty and OWS both have a belief that the system is not working for average people anymore and the American dream is slipping away. They have the same ultimate goal. I just hope we can find common ground.

I don't know what to do about the mortgage situation. The laws are the same as they have always been and the banks have to follow the law. I can't sue for breach of a contract if I cannot prove a contract with me exists. So why should the banks? It will take time but everything will eventually shake out. The delay may even be intentional. I think banks would prefer someone living in a foreclosed property. At least the house will be taken care of (to an extent). Many empty foreclosed homes will have to be torn down.

Cain is attracting both interest and hatred from both sides. THAT's my guy!

[LvivLovers 39]

I know. The visuals from the campers are really bad. It is the same with the Teaparty. The media went and found the most outrageous people and signs. I also dislike the socialist/communist vibe from many of the OWS. But they are not liberals. They are "anarchists."

Cain is really interesting. I don't hear too many libs bad mouthing him. They like parts of his 9-9-9 plan because of the simplicity, doing away with the regressive payroll tax and the VAT aspect. Maybe a compromise is possible. Make it less regressive by adding protection for the less wealthy and a few more brackets.

And he came out sort of pro-choice. That surprised a lot of people. I don't think Cain is the guy to bridge these two movements but who knows. Teaparty and OWS both have a belief that the system is not working for average people anymore and the American dream is slipping away. They have the same ultimate goal. I just hope we can find common ground.

I don't know what to do about the mortgage situation. The laws are the same as they have always been and the banks have to follow the law. I can't sue for breach of a contract if I cannot prove a contract with me exists. So why should the banks? It will take time but everything will eventually shake out. The delay may even be intentional. I think banks would prefer someone living in a foreclosed property. At least the house will be taken care of (to an extent). Many empty foreclosed homes will have to be torn down.

I agree on just about everything.

Yeah...I think liberals should be getting behind the 9-9-9 plan to be honest...many of them claim it raises taxes and they want taxes raised...so there ya go! hahaha Oh right...they only want to raise other people's taxes! To be honest, from what I heard rich people are getting off a little bit light so maybe they can compromise. In all honest, even many Tea Partiers who are staunchly against raising taxes would be ok with raising taxes as long as they would cut the dang spending first. Otherwise it's like emptying out your wallet and throwing it into the grand canyon...it's just not going to do much to fill in a hole of that size. Stop the bleeding first...then heal the patient.

On mortgages, the regulators, as always (government after all), were asleep at the wheel and let MERS go on for years letting all the mortgage servicers believe they were fine. What a mess, but exactly what I would expect from the gov. I agree....banks are stalling on the foreclosures trying to absorb them. It'll eventually get worked out, but I'm still not convinced we won't see a TBTF bank fail...probably BAC. Some of their recent maneuverings sure look like they are setting up for it. Should be interesting.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Why are you bringing this up when it is not relevant to the discussion at hand?

That's not in the NASHI handbook.

You want to count how many post on this thread aren't on topic, or do you want me to count them for you? btw you left out the post I was quoting.

Edited October 21, 2011 by Why_Me

[LvivLovers 39]

You want to count how many post on this thread aren't on topic, or do you want me to count them for you? btw you left out the post I was quoting.

Is it time for guns and pie yet? This time I actually do have guns!

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Is it time for guns and pie yet? This time I actually do have guns!

meh...I'l back off, but Iv'e been hearing this brainwashed Russian nationalist ####### for years now and it's always the same old spiel.