Trouble With Toronto Medical

[APlusJ 1]

Oh my gosh!! Your doctor is a HUGE jerk! I am so sorry you had to go through that!

[NinoniAndBoosBoos 6]

...., though I'm very familiar with the kind of righteous indignation presented here, and can just see the doctor that I work for going into just such a tirade. Too bad your doctor didn't do it right though, you should have left your appointment feeling like you want to right every wrong in this world, I'm sure that's how your doctor felt.

...RIGHTHEOUS INDIGNATION? that is so self-fulfilling...I hope your rant made YOU feel better.....

Edited June 22, 2011 by NinoniAndBoosBoos

[pocheros 101]

I think regardless of what's "bad" medicine, it can be agreed upon that these are professionals who should act and communicate with their peers and patients respectfully. Going into a tirade is inexcusable- getting mad does nothing to resolve the issue faster or more effectively. A patient trusts their doctor because their doctor went to school for a decade in order to help people, so it's not the patients fault if they're given bad advice- heck, in this case, the patient actually tried to do the responsible thing and locate their vaccination records but again was met with unprofessional conduct. Guilting a patient because of what another doctor told them to do is illogical, irrational, and frankly reeks of a lack of basic human decency. Likewise, getting upset at another doctor is completely unprofessional conduct. All the doctors in Canada make up a part of the health care system and should do their best to work together and with other health care providers even when they have disagreements.

Yelling at someone over the phone and pushing a patient to cry is disgusting behaviour even if Dr. Seiden was wrong. I mean, parents teach their kids not to yell and scream- we're adults aren't we?

Ehh, I know this isn't my argument, it just bothers me slightly because what ralyse has relayed to us thus far hasn't indicated that she was trying to do anything other than what she's supposed to do. That is, she tried to be prepared to the best of her abilities but due to circumstances beyond her control was met with some difficulties and then blamed for them. Ridiculous.

TL;DR A professional should not communicate his "feelings"- whether right or wrong- when trying to resolve an issue. A professional only cares about "righting" the wrong, and the best way to do so is calmly, respectfully, and efficiently. It's not by yelling. When someone yells at you do you listen? Yelling won't make and adult do anything differently- if anything, it'll make them more stubborn and resistant.

Edited June 23, 2011 by pocheros

[thetreble 19]

No, Dr. Bruce. Who is also a knob.

haha! I know who that is! I'm from Kitchener.

[NinoniAndBoosBoos 6]

I think regardless of what's "bad" medicine, it can be agreed upon that these are professionals who should act and communicate with their peers and patients respectfully. Going into a tirade is inexcusable- getting mad does nothing to resolve the issue faster or more effectively. A patient trusts their doctor because their doctor went to school for a decade in order to help people, so it's not the patients fault if they're given bad advice- heck, in this case, the patient actually tried to do the responsible thing and locate their vaccination records but again was met with unprofessional conduct. Guilting a patient because of what another doctor told them to do is illogical, irrational, and frankly reeks of a lack of basic human decency. Likewise, getting upset at another doctor is completely unprofessional conduct. All the doctors in Canada make up a part of the health care system and should do their best to work together and with other health care providers even when they have disagreements.

Yelling at someone over the phone and pushing a patient to cry is disgusting behaviour even if Dr. Seiden was wrong. I mean, parents teach their kids not to yell and scream- we're adults aren't we?

Ehh, I know this isn't my argument, it just bothers me slightly because what ralyse has relayed to us thus far hasn't indicated that she was trying to do anything other than what she's supposed to do. That is, she tried to be prepared to the best of her abilities but due to circumstances beyond her control was met with some difficulties and then blamed for them. Ridiculous.

TL;DR A professional should not communicate his "feelings"- whether right or wrong- when trying to resolve an issue. A professional only cares about "righting" the wrong, and the best way to do so is calmly, respectfully, and efficiently. It's not by yelling. When someone yells at you do you listen? Yelling won't make and adult do anything differently- if anything, it'll make them more stubborn and resistant.

[ralyse 31]

Well, fedex just dropped off my medical, so I guess this part is all over now. Hurray!

[NinoniAndBoosBoos 6]

wonderful reply pocheros..here, here and ditto. This process is hard enough for all the VJ'ers, and for a professional to react in such a manner is unaccepable. Perhaps his ethics should be addressed with the CPSO, it sounds like he may already be known to them, and his reputation exceeds him.

Working in the profession is no excuse for such behaviour, nor does posting a rant indicating that "righteous indignation" serve any helpful purpose what-so-ever. Luckily Ralyse has the support of all the others; with compassion, respect, and empathy. So kudo's to all those that have offered her all this postive support, and shame to those that offered nothing else.

[NinoniAndBoosBoos 6]

Well, fedex just dropped off my medical, so I guess this part is all over now. Hurray!

How great!!!!! just remember, not to open the sealed envelope, I know as tempting as it is. HURRAY indeed...

[Stuart and Thea 95]

Mine only has me as a patient as a favour to a relative and constantly makes me aware of this fact, but out of respect for my uncle I don't say anything.

Wow, what an ####. That is completely unacceptable. If we both weren't moving out of Ktown, I'd set you up with the docs in my clinic. Believe me, you'd know the difference between what I described and what your doctor did. I'm sorry he was such a jerk to you, it's so much better when they're a jerk FOR you!

[/i]...RIGHTHEOUS INDIGNATION? that is so self-fulfilling...I hope your rant made YOU feel better.....

No, I was intending to make the OP feel better, as if her doctor was in fact being upset on her behalf as the doctor I work for would have been, then she would have been able to change a horrible day into a not so horrible day. It appears that he is in fact, a total ####. As to the righteous indignation, it's a shame that he wasn't feeling that, just holier than thou instead. The docs I've worked for would have done it a little differently, up to and including dictating a letter to the embassy on her behalf because of her high blood pressure.

I think regardless of what's "bad" medicine, it can be agreed upon that these are professionals who should act and communicate with their peers and patients respectfully. Going into a tirade is inexcusable- getting mad does nothing to resolve the issue faster or more effectively. A patient trusts their doctor because their doctor went to school for a decade in order to help people, so it's not the patients fault if they're given bad advice- heck, in this case, the patient actually tried to do the responsible thing and locate their vaccination records but again was met with unprofessional conduct. Guilting a patient because of what another doctor told them to do is illogical, irrational, and frankly reeks of a lack of basic human decency. Likewise, getting upset at another doctor is completely unprofessional conduct. All the doctors in Canada make up a part of the health care system and should do their best to work together and with other health care providers even when they have disagreements.

Yelling at someone over the phone and pushing a patient to cry is disgusting behaviour even if Dr. Seiden was wrong. I mean, parents teach their kids not to yell and scream- we're adults aren't we?

Ehh, I know this isn't my argument, it just bothers me slightly because what ralyse has relayed to us thus far hasn't indicated that she was trying to do anything other than what she's supposed to do. That is, she tried to be prepared to the best of her abilities but due to circumstances beyond her control was met with some difficulties and then blamed for them. Ridiculous.

TL;DR A professional should not communicate his "feelings"- whether right or wrong- when trying to resolve an issue. A professional only cares about "righting" the wrong, and the best way to do so is calmly, respectfully, and efficiently. It's not by yelling. When someone yells at you do you listen? Yelling won't make and adult do anything differently- if anything, it'll make them more stubborn and resistant.

Absolutely correct, and I don't disagree with any of it. But if he in fact had been upset on her behalf and yelled and screamed for her instead of at her, (which I was trying to suggest he might have been doing -I don't know him, only the docs I've worked for, and I've seen such behaviour from professionals before, even heard them tell each other to keep "your hands off my patients" though mostly on behalf of patients they have a good relationship with. As to this doctor's relationship with this patient? It's a shame that there aren't enough doctors to go around and you can end up stuck with a total jerk just because you need a doctor) then maybe her day might not have gone so bad.

As to the rest of it, good luck at the interview, and look forward to an easy POE and your wedding. I can't wait to hear from you!

[OBX 51]

Well, fedex just dropped off my medical, so I guess this part is all over now. Hurray!

Good stuff! I hope the rest of the process is smooth sailing for you.