Flying while arab/muslim

[tmma 467]

It seems profiling passengers that are traveling by air is not just limited to those wearing hijabs or who simply " look middle-eastern" ( for want of a better expression--apologies if this is not PC) ...ladies/anyone traveling with infants and baby formula are forced to drink the baby formula to prove there is no liquid explosives in the bottles, NO ONE is allowed to take any carry on luggage into the cabin ( apart from wallet and passport)-it seems ALL passengers regardless of religion or ethnic background or sex are profiled as possible terrorists.

Just my opinion

edit-spelling and grammar and its still wrong, but no matter

Edited August 24, 2006 by tmma

[samir_shannon 0]

Oh well, better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees.........

That's exactly why I don't believe in any of the major religions; I refuse to live on my knees.

Cian trust me there is a God.....but religion can be a terrible thing... i am very careful about doctrine and i pray to God to give me guidance. one thing that bothers me is when one thinks ones religion is perfect... let me remind people that anything touched by man isnt perfect.for example.. catholic doctrine. some of it was made by man. then you take islam. a man who calls himself a prophet says ok here are the NEW rules and the promise that was given to the christians isnt true. comeon . thats why i pray pray pray and do what Jesus said when he said beware of the false prophets that will come. and the false prophets are not just from islam but there are false prophets in christianity and judaism. i will tell you this and i believe this from my heart......in heaven i think we are all going to be very surprised. there wont be any secular things there. i think there will be muslims jews and christians there. its all about Gods judgement.

It seems profiling passengers that are traveling by air is not just limited to those wearing hijabs or who simply " look middle-eastern" ( for want of a better expression--apologies if this is not PC) ...ladies/anyone traveling with infants and baby formula are forced to drink the baby formula to prove there is no liquid explosives in the bottles, NO ONE is allowed to take any carry on luggage into the cabin ( apart from wallet and passport)-it seems ALL passengers regardless of religion or ethnic background or sex are profiled as possible terrorists.

Just my opinion

edit-spelling and grammar and its still wrong, but no matter

well said

[UmmSqueakster 54]

It seems profiling passengers that are traveling by air is not just limited to those wearing hijabs or who simply " look middle-eastern" ( for want of a better expression--apologies if this is not PC) ...ladies/anyone traveling with infants and baby formula are forced to drink the baby formula to prove there is no liquid explosives in the bottles, NO ONE is allowed to take any carry on luggage into the cabin ( apart from wallet and passport)-it seems ALL passengers regardless of religion or ethnic background or sex are profiled as possible terrorists.

Just my opinion

edit-spelling and grammar and its still wrong, but no matter

It's not a matter of simply profiling and security checks. It's kicking people off the flight/not allowing them on because of their "suspicious" behavior, which includes speaking in urdu, praying in arabic and wearing a tshirt that has arabic on it. Some people on this board have expressed concerns about people who have things on their heads, and as we've seen several times in the last few weeks, "concerned" passengers have been instrumental in booting fellow passengers off the plane for their "suspicious" behavior."

If they'd like to triple check me, fine, as long as they do it in a respectful manner. But if I make it through all the security checks, there shouldn't be anyone on the plane wanting me booted because I look suspicious for saying something in arabic.

Edited August 24, 2006 by rahma

[ya falaha! 0]

I've noticed that you're quite intolerant of change. Is your fiance Muslim? Cuz if he is..you're in for a real treat in the long run.

If ppl are a afraid of a simple piece of cloth on a woman's head that's just sad.

I am flying out next month with the Hijab on. Will say if they give me a trouble...

well dont wear one then.........problem solved.

[Nagishkaw 510]

there's another thing to be " scared " of.........a piece of cloth !

In regards to my comment about living on my knees, it was said tongue in cheek, and had nothing whatsoever to do with ' religion '. oups...perhaps ' tongue in cheek ' will be taken out of context, too. I'm beginning to develope an intense phobia about tongues and cheeks.

[samir_shannon 0]

I've noticed that you're quite intolerant of change. Is your fiance Muslim? Cuz if he is..you're in for a real treat in the long run.

If ppl are a afraid of a simple piece of cloth on a woman's head that's just sad.

I am flying out next month with the Hijab on. Will say if they give me a trouble...

well dont wear one then.........problem solved.

hold on a minute... u dont have no right to say i am intolerant of change. who do you think you are? i was simply saying if she thinks she will have a hard time because of it then dont wear it. and my relationship with my fiance is none of your business

[ya falaha! 0]

Jabree..was your mind in the gutter with that statement? Please say yes

[tmma 467]

It seems profiling passengers that are traveling by air is not just limited to those wearing hijabs or who simply " look middle-eastern" ( for want of a better expression--apologies if this is not PC) ...ladies/anyone traveling with infants and baby formula are forced to drink the baby formula to prove there is no liquid explosives in the bottles, NO ONE is allowed to take any carry on luggage into the cabin ( apart from wallet and passport)-it seems ALL passengers regardless of religion or ethnic background or sex are profiled as possible terrorists.

Just my opinion

edit-spelling and grammar and its still wrong, but no matter

It's not a matter of simply profiling and security checks. It's kicking people off the flight/not allowing them on because of their "suspicious" behavior, which includes speaking in urdu, praying in arabic and wearing a tshirt that has arabic on it. Some people on this board have expressed concerns about people who have things on their heads, and as we've seen several times in the last few weeks, "concerned" passengers have been instrumental in booting fellow passengers off the plane for their "suspicious" behavior."

If they'd like to triple check me, fine, as long as they do it in a respectful manner. But if I make it through all the security checks, there shouldn't be anyone on the plane wanting me booted because I look suspicious for saying something in arabic.

Is it morally right that people judge everyone who is Islamic on the actions of the fanatical few? NO! Of course not! But it is human nature and human nature is flawed and not always fair/rational.

Some people are scared ( some OVERLY so), so soon after all that has happened. Is that a good excuse? NO-but there are often NO good excuses for human nature ( especially frightened human nature).

It's awful that the good people of the Islamic faith are not as high profile as the extremeists/fanatics/fringe element!

More Islamic clerics/scholars who represent the mainstream need to be reaching out more to the " frightened and not so rational/uninformed" masses. Is it fair to you and the rest of the mainstream? NO! Unfortunatly the mainstream are forced to "pay" for the choices of the FEW extremists.

The problem lies in seeing/reading too much of the fanatical few ( and what they are trying to do) in the mainstream media, and not enough of the moderate majority of Islamic people; in an effort to get people to understand their religion...etc ( and I don't mean the constant diatribe on here over whats happening in Lebanon etc.... I mean an effort to get people to understand Islam and that those few fanatics do NOT represent the basis of Islam)

There needs to be understanding from BOTH sides here.

[ya falaha! 0]

This is a public forum so yes, I have a right to say anything I want. The fact that you put info about yourself and your fiance also makes it up for grabs...sorry. Anyhooo....many of your statements point to intolerance. Remember this one?....my fiance will use TP, I will not put a watering can in my bathroom..something to that effect. Everyone knows Muslims use water to clean after the toilet. Will you also tell him he's not allowed to eat Algerian food because he's in the states now? Boy do I feel sorry for him. Now women shouldn't wear higab because other ppl don't like. We live in a big, big world full of all different kinds of ppl. Deal with it.

I'm me...that's who the hell I think I am!

I've noticed that you're quite intolerant of change. Is your fiance Muslim? Cuz if he is..you're in for a real treat in the long run.

If ppl are a afraid of a simple piece of cloth on a woman's head that's just sad.

I am flying out next month with the Hijab on. Will say if they give me a trouble...

well dont wear one then.........problem solved.

hold on a minute... u dont have no right to say i am intolerant of change. who do you think you are? i was simply saying if she thinks she will have a hard time because of it then dont wear it. and my relationship with my fiance is none of your business

Edited August 24, 2006 by Mrs. Z

[Nagishkaw 510]

Jabree..was your mind in the gutter with that statement? Please say yes

No, Mrs.Z.....I was just trying to add a little humour to this rhetoric. But a little gutter never hurt.

[AngelK96 0]

I'm thinking I should break out the sage and ' smudge' myself, recite a few incantations, but the neighbours might call in the cavalry. Oh well, better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees.........

I took that comment as better to die fighting then giving up.

[ya falaha! 0]

A little humor never hurts either We all need humor in the midst of this process.

Jabree..was your mind in the gutter with that statement? Please say yes

No, Mrs.Z.....I was just trying to add a little humour to this rhetoric. But a little gutter never hurt.

[Bosco 1]

"All depends on how you define "living on your knees" I suppose."

It does.

I consider religions that require a subservient relationship with "god" to be living on ones' knees.

Some people need that kind of thing in their life, and that's fine for them.

I don't really have a problem with others being religious; it just ain't for me. lol

Others may disagree but my personal interpretation of Islam is not one of subservience. We serve God but there is a benefit and reward in that. i.e. - similar to how you feel good when you make other people happy. However, I don't need God to do what I know inside is right or to keep me from doing what I know is wrong and would conduct myself in much the same way without belief. I have friends who are atheists that I feel "serve God" more than most overtly religious people I know - their motivation is that it is what they feel is proper conduct in this world.

I see subservience as a one-way street in which one party gets the benefit at the expensive of the other. I also am not much into the hellfire and brimstone aspects of religion.

Regardless, I respect the choices of people to choose any religion or none. I don't think the religious are better and oftentimes, religion is used to do heinous things.

[Nagishkaw 510]

I'm thinking I should break out the sage and ' smudge' myself, recite a few incantations, but the neighbours might call in the cavalry. Oh well, better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees.........

I took that comment as better to die fighting then giving up.

yup, and thanks.

[samir_shannon 0]

This is a public forum so yes, I have a right to say anything I want. The fact that you put info about yourself and your fiance also makes it up for grabs...sorry. Anyhooo....many of your statements point to intolerance. Remember this one?....my fiance will use TP, I will not put a watering can in my bathroom..something to that effect. Everyone knows Muslims use water to clean after the toilet. Will you also tell him he's not allowed to eat Algerian food because he's in the states now? Boy do I feel sorry for him. Now women shouldn't wear higab because other ppl don't like. We live in a big, big world full of all different kinds of ppl. Deal with it.

I'm me...that's who the hell I think I am!

I've noticed that you're quite intolerant of change. Is your fiance Muslim? Cuz if he is..you're in for a real treat in the long run.

If ppl are a afraid of a simple piece of cloth on a woman's head that's just sad.

I am flying out next month with the Hijab on. Will say if they give me a trouble...

well dont wear one then.........problem solved.

hold on a minute... u dont have no right to say i am intolerant of change. who do you think you are? i was simply saying if she thinks she will have a hard time because of it then dont wear it. and my relationship with my fiance is none of your business

first of all you have a smart mouth. got it? i am not intolerant of my fiance and we have a good relationship. i went to algeria and followed his culture when i was there. second, my fiance knows i am not a muslim and we have been together for almost 3 years. and you feel sorry for him? do you have any idea what i have done for my fiance? so let me get this straight you see me post my OPINIONS and you think because of what i post on VJ you can judge me and my whole relationship with my fiance. i wasnt saying for her not to wear it because other people didnt like it. i was saying dont wear it to save her some trouble and have an easier trip thats all. i wore a hijab there in algeria just because it would keep people from staring at me and it was thier culture. samir has to adjust to american life as i have to adjust to algerian life when i am there. and for your information you seem to be intolerant. just because i am engaged to someone from algeria doesnt mean that i am in that culture, he loves me for who i am and understands i am not a muslim and he has been able to accept that. i fell sorry for your bad attitude. and if you think i am one to take your ####### you picked the wrong one...............