Willing to bear arms?

[sjr09 155]

Just curious - I'm a year away....but I consider myself a peaceful person. I have no intention of ever touching a gun, let alone using one. No matter who it's for.

This seems like such an antiquated question, no?

Don't become an American if you are not willing to stand up and protect this nation!

Yeah I agree! Don't become an American!

Just stand up and take the bullet, and get it over with.

You guys are ridiculous. Really.

Why?

When the time comes to defend this country?

Or ones Patriotism love of and/or devotion to one's country?

Hope your the first one to stand up, that way I can see where the bullets are coming from.

[Captain Oates 911]

Just sayin', it ain't very easy to get in, and with three kids, even when we had the draft, they would want no part of you, would have to give you free medical and dental care to your kids even if you met all the other requirements. You would be too expensive for the government.

My granddad had 5 very small children and tried his best stay out of the army when everyone else was signing up voluntarily..

They conscripted him anyway and he was killed within a few months when he and his friends were ordered to walk towards a heavy water cooled machine gun. His body was never found.

They pass all sorts of laws in time of war and those bear little resemblance to peacetime laws.

These people who advocate arms to attack their own (the US government) are fantasists. They spend half their time praising the US military, and the other half polishing their guns and saying they will kill their own servicemen if the government becomes too socialist and tyrannical.

I am 62 years old and in shape. I have a brand new AR-15 assault rifle and National expert marksman qualifications starting in 1967. Luckily I am considered incapable of causing any harm to an enemy so that's ok. However, paper targets should be very afraid.

The poster who talks about Chavez should realise that it wouldn't be him on the end of your bayonet, it would more likely be a scared 17 year old begging for his/her life and your comrades encouraging you to give 'battlefield justice'. War is not a noble thing - it's organised murder no matter how it's portrayed.

The politics and the theory is one thing, the reality is something else. When you are under 26 you don't think like this and that's why the government wants you and not me.

Would you die for the Vietnam war ? 50 thousand Americans dead and half a million crippled in mind and/or body. As soon as it ended we were all friends and US manufacturers were setting up sweat shops there to make shirts. So what was all that about ? What were the terrible consequences of losing ? What happened when we lost ?

All in all I would try my best to avoid killing people in that sort of war. But soldiers can't pick their wars - they have to obey the orders of a Bush brother or Sarah or even - Glenn Beck ?

[Krikit 1,164]

Just curious - I'm a year away....but I consider myself a peaceful person. I have no intention of ever touching a gun, let alone using one. No matter who it's for.

This seems like such an antiquated question, no?

Don't become an American if you are not willing to stand up and protect this nation!

Yeah I agree! Don't become an American!

Just stand up and take the bullet, and get it over with.

You guys are ridiculous. Really.

Why?

When the time comes to defend this country?

Or ones Patriotism love of and/or devotion to one's country?

Hope your the first one to stand up, that way I can see where the bullets are coming from.

There is absolutely no need for these types of comments. Please refrain from off topic behaviour in the immigration forums. Thank you.

[Boiler 45,399]

War is a continuation of diplomacy using other means.

[Justine+David 218]

Yikes, I didn't realize this kind of question was going to be asked for my future husband. He's from the UK and like a majority of his country, thinks gun control is extremely important and that Americans are too gun-happy.

I'm inclined to agree, especially with a Constitution that has amendments for a reason...

Now, I come from a strong military family and my dad is a colonel, so I very much support our troops, especially as they put their lives in danger for our country. It's more about Congress that I wouldn't agree with who have the power to involve the U.S. in wars, but I guess there's no stopping them except for voting them out.

*sigh*

[Boiler 45,399]

Yikes, I didn't realize this kind of question was going to be asked for my future husband. He's from the UK and like a majority of his country, thinks gun control is extremely important and that Americans are too gun-happy.

I'm inclined to agree, especially with a Constitution that has amendments for a reason...

Now, I come from a strong military family and my dad is a colonel, so I very much support our troops, especially as they put their lives in danger for our country. It's more about Congress that I wouldn't agree with who have the power to involve the U.S. in wars, but I guess there's no stopping them except for voting them out.

*sigh*

Gun control in the UK is only an issue if you want to own one legally, illegally not a problem.

I prefer the US system. Gives you a chance.

[elishav 0]

Yikes, I didn't realize this kind of question was going to be asked for my future husband. He's from the UK and like a majority of his country, thinks gun control is extremely important and that Americans are too gun-happy.

I'm inclined to agree, especially with a Constitution that has amendments for a reason...

Now, I come from a strong military family and my dad is a colonel, so I very much support our troops, especially as they put their lives in danger for our country. It's more about Congress that I wouldn't agree with who have the power to involve the U.S. in wars, but I guess there's no stopping them except for voting them out.

*sigh*

Gun control in the UK is only an issue if you want to own one legally, illegally not a problem.

I prefer the US system. Gives you a chance.

Please stop jacking threads. This is not about gun control. Your off-topic snide comments to people are all over this board. There are plenty of places on the internet for what you are looking for. People have politely asked you to stop, so please stop.

[NickD 202]

Just sayin', it ain't very easy to get in, and with three kids, even when we had the draft, they would want no part of you, would have to give you free medical and dental care to your kids even if you met all the other requirements. You would be too expensive for the government.

My granddad had 5 very small children and tried his best stay out of the army when everyone else was signing up voluntarily..

They conscripted him anyway and he was killed within a few months when he and his friends were ordered to walk towards a heavy water cooled machine gun. His body was never found.

They pass all sorts of laws in time of war and those bear little resemblance to peacetime laws.

These people who advocate arms to attack their own (the US government) are fantasists. They spend half their time praising the US military, and the other half polishing their guns and saying they will kill their own servicemen if the government becomes too socialist and tyrannical.

I am 62 years old and in shape. I have a brand new AR-15 assault rifle and National expert marksman qualifications starting in 1967. Luckily I am considered incapable of causing any harm to an enemy so that's ok. However, paper targets should be very afraid.

The poster who talks about Chavez should realise that it wouldn't be him on the end of your bayonet, it would more likely be a scared 17 year old begging for his/her life and your comrades encouraging you to give 'battlefield justice'. War is not a noble thing - it's organised murder no matter how it's portrayed.

The politics and the theory is one thing, the reality is something else. When you are under 26 you don't think like this and that's why the government wants you and not me.

Would you die for the Vietnam war ? 50 thousand Americans dead and half a million crippled in mind and/or body. As soon as it ended we were all friends and US manufacturers were setting up sweat shops there to make shirts. So what was all that about ? What were the terrible consequences of losing ? What happened when we lost ?

All in all I would try my best to avoid killing people in that sort of war. But soldiers can't pick their wars - they have to obey the orders of a Bush brother or Sarah or even - Glenn Beck ?

Exactly the way I felt and feel today, kids fighting kids, it's a downright disgrace, while the leaders that started these wars sit in warm comfortable surroundings have tea parties. Would be a far different story if the leaders led the rest of us in battle, and none of this high tech stuff, wars are won by the foot soldier.

[Justine+David 218]

This had me thinking: if the U.S. home-front situation got so bad that it required civilians to carry guns (would this be just the naturalized citizens? As a born American, I've never taken any kind of oath), we'd have to be in the poops of the poop for wartime on our own home soil and in that case we'd probably all just be obliterated by nuclear bombs...

[Boiler 45,399]

This had me thinking: if the U.S. home-front situation got so bad that it required civilians to carry guns (would this be just the naturalized citizens? As a born American, I've never taken any kind of oath), we'd have to be in the poops of the poop for wartime on our own home soil and in that case we'd probably all just be obliterated by nuclear bombs...

I can not see it ever happening, well in my life time.

The ony country I know that has his sort of ordinance is Switzerland, and that is a very different situation.

It was mentioned in the recent Afghanistan debate that it is costing $1m pa a person to deploy exta forces, and to some extent this is voluntary, I just can not see a need for a mass armed forces, or the ability to afford it.

[elishav 0]

Just sayin', it ain't very easy to get in, and with three kids, even when we had the draft, they would want no part of you, would have to give you free medical and dental care to your kids even if you met all the other requirements. You would be too expensive for the government.

My granddad had 5 very small children and tried his best stay out of the army when everyone else was signing up voluntarily..

They conscripted him anyway and he was killed within a few months when he and his friends were ordered to walk towards a heavy water cooled machine gun. His body was never found.

They pass all sorts of laws in time of war and those bear little resemblance to peacetime laws.

These people who advocate arms to attack their own (the US government) are fantasists. They spend half their time praising the US military, and the other half polishing their guns and saying they will kill their own servicemen if the government becomes too socialist and tyrannical.

I am 62 years old and in shape. I have a brand new AR-15 assault rifle and National expert marksman qualifications starting in 1967. Luckily I am considered incapable of causing any harm to an enemy so that's ok. However, paper targets should be very afraid.

The poster who talks about Chavez should realise that it wouldn't be him on the end of your bayonet, it would more likely be a scared 17 year old begging for his/her life and your comrades encouraging you to give 'battlefield justice'. War is not a noble thing - it's organised murder no matter how it's portrayed.

The politics and the theory is one thing, the reality is something else. When you are under 26 you don't think like this and that's why the government wants you and not me.

Would you die for the Vietnam war ? 50 thousand Americans dead and half a million crippled in mind and/or body. As soon as it ended we were all friends and US manufacturers were setting up sweat shops there to make shirts. So what was all that about ? What were the terrible consequences of losing ? What happened when we lost ?

All in all I would try my best to avoid killing people in that sort of war. But soldiers can't pick their wars - they have to obey the orders of a Bush brother or Sarah or even - Glenn Beck ?

Exactly the way I felt and feel today, kids fighting kids, it's a downright disgrace, while the leaders that started these wars sit in warm comfortable surroundings have tea parties. Would be a far different story if the leaders led the rest of us in battle, and none of this high tech stuff, wars are won by the foot soldier.

My husband took issue with the citizenship oath for the exact reasons you state. As Muhammed Ali stated when he refused to be drafted and went to jail instead. "I ain't got no quarrel with them Viet Cong...."(one of my personal favorite quotes of all time). My husband will be a proud American and takes no issue with the idea of defending our country; it's trusting American officials and politicians not to lead us into unnecessary conflict that is the problem.

My husband lived in the middle of a brutal civil war for the first twenty years of his life and had to leave his home in order to avoid being drafted into the rebel army at the age of 12. He is certainly schooled on the realities of war, which most Americans are fortunately NOT and don't realize your are not shooting at bad guys, you are just shooting at people that had guns forced in their hands by people holding guns to their heads.

[NickD 202]

Just sayin', it ain't very easy to get in, and with three kids, even when we had the draft, they would want no part of you, would have to give you free medical and dental care to your kids even if you met all the other requirements. You would be too expensive for the government.

My granddad had 5 very small children and tried his best stay out of the army when everyone else was signing up voluntarily..

They conscripted him anyway and he was killed within a few months when he and his friends were ordered to walk towards a heavy water cooled machine gun. His body was never found.

They pass all sorts of laws in time of war and those bear little resemblance to peacetime laws.

These people who advocate arms to attack their own (the US government) are fantasists. They spend half their time praising the US military, and the other half polishing their guns and saying they will kill their own servicemen if the government becomes too socialist and tyrannical.

I am 62 years old and in shape. I have a brand new AR-15 assault rifle and National expert marksman qualifications starting in 1967. Luckily I am considered incapable of causing any harm to an enemy so that's ok. However, paper targets should be very afraid.

The poster who talks about Chavez should realise that it wouldn't be him on the end of your bayonet, it would more likely be a scared 17 year old begging for his/her life and your comrades encouraging you to give 'battlefield justice'. War is not a noble thing - it's organised murder no matter how it's portrayed.

The politics and the theory is one thing, the reality is something else. When you are under 26 you don't think like this and that's why the government wants you and not me.

Would you die for the Vietnam war ? 50 thousand Americans dead and half a million crippled in mind and/or body. As soon as it ended we were all friends and US manufacturers were setting up sweat shops there to make shirts. So what was all that about ? What were the terrible consequences of losing ? What happened when we lost ?

All in all I would try my best to avoid killing people in that sort of war. But soldiers can't pick their wars - they have to obey the orders of a Bush brother or Sarah or even - Glenn Beck ?

Exactly the way I felt and feel today, kids fighting kids, it's a downright disgrace, while the leaders that started these wars sit in warm comfortable surroundings have tea parties. Would be a far different story if the leaders led the rest of us in battle, and none of this high tech stuff, wars are won by the foot soldier.

My husband took issue with the citizenship oath for the exact reasons you state. As Muhammed Ali stated when he refused to be drafted and went to jail instead. "I ain't got no quarrel with them Viet Cong...."(one of my personal favorite quotes of all time). My husband will be a proud American and takes no issue with the idea of defending our country; it's trusting American officials and politicians not to lead us into unnecessary conflict that is the problem.

My husband lived in the middle of a brutal civil war for the first twenty years of his life and had to leave his home in order to avoid being drafted into the rebel army at the age of 12. He is certainly schooled on the realities of war, which most Americans are fortunately NOT and don't realize your are not shooting at bad guys, you are just shooting at people that had guns forced in their hands by people holding guns to their heads.

Did your husband become a USC, and if so, did he answer no to the bearing arms question?

I have never known this country to ask a 40 year old women with three kids to bear arms for this country. The way we bear arms or at least have, you are enlisted in one of the five branches of our military and receive plenty of training, wear a uniform and all that other stuff like learning the rules of engagement. We couldn't just shoot anybody and if you did, got into big trouble. So why are they even asking this question of a 40 year old women, or even an 80 year old woman that is half blind?

Seems like in a way, they are giving you a choice, question is what happens if you answer no. I don't have the answer to that. One question they do not ask, are you willing to pay taxes? There you have no choice. Or why do they ask what have you been doing for the last five years, since you are applying with marriage and only been here three.

[elishav 0]

Just sayin', it ain't very easy to get in, and with three kids, even when we had the draft, they would want no part of you, would have to give you free medical and dental care to your kids even if you met all the other requirements. You would be too expensive for the government.

My granddad had 5 very small children and tried his best stay out of the army when everyone else was signing up voluntarily..

They conscripted him anyway and he was killed within a few months when he and his friends were ordered to walk towards a heavy water cooled machine gun. His body was never found.

They pass all sorts of laws in time of war and those bear little resemblance to peacetime laws.

These people who advocate arms to attack their own (the US government) are fantasists. They spend half their time praising the US military, and the other half polishing their guns and saying they will kill their own servicemen if the government becomes too socialist and tyrannical.

I am 62 years old and in shape. I have a brand new AR-15 assault rifle and National expert marksman qualifications starting in 1967. Luckily I am considered incapable of causing any harm to an enemy so that's ok. However, paper targets should be very afraid.

The poster who talks about Chavez should realise that it wouldn't be him on the end of your bayonet, it would more likely be a scared 17 year old begging for his/her life and your comrades encouraging you to give 'battlefield justice'. War is not a noble thing - it's organised murder no matter how it's portrayed.

The politics and the theory is one thing, the reality is something else. When you are under 26 you don't think like this and that's why the government wants you and not me.

Would you die for the Vietnam war ? 50 thousand Americans dead and half a million crippled in mind and/or body. As soon as it ended we were all friends and US manufacturers were setting up sweat shops there to make shirts. So what was all that about ? What were the terrible consequences of losing ? What happened when we lost ?

All in all I would try my best to avoid killing people in that sort of war. But soldiers can't pick their wars - they have to obey the orders of a Bush brother or Sarah or even - Glenn Beck ?

Exactly the way I felt and feel today, kids fighting kids, it's a downright disgrace, while the leaders that started these wars sit in warm comfortable surroundings have tea parties. Would be a far different story if the leaders led the rest of us in battle, and none of this high tech stuff, wars are won by the foot soldier.

My husband took issue with the citizenship oath for the exact reasons you state. As Muhammed Ali stated when he refused to be drafted and went to jail instead. "I ain't got no quarrel with them Viet Cong...."(one of my personal favorite quotes of all time). My husband will be a proud American and takes no issue with the idea of defending our country; it's trusting American officials and politicians not to lead us into unnecessary conflict that is the problem.

My husband lived in the middle of a brutal civil war for the first twenty years of his life and had to leave his home in order to avoid being drafted into the rebel army at the age of 12. He is certainly schooled on the realities of war, which most Americans are fortunately NOT and don't realize your are not shooting at bad guys, you are just shooting at people that had guns forced in their hands by people holding guns to their heads.

Did your husband become a USC, and if so, did he answer no to the bearing arms question?

I have never known this country to ask a 40 year old women with three kids to bear arms for this country. The way we bear arms or at least have, you are enlisted in one of the five branches of our military and receive plenty of training, wear a uniform and all that other stuff like learning the rules of engagement. We couldn't just shoot anybody and if you did, got into big trouble. So why are they even asking this question of a 40 year old women, or even an 80 year old woman that is half blind?

Seems like in a way, they are giving you a choice, question is what happens if you answer no. I don't have the answer to that. One question they do not ask, are you willing to pay taxes? There you have no choice. Or why do they ask what have you been doing for the last five years, since you are applying with marriage and only been here three.

He hasn't taken the oath yet or been scheduled. He is not going to make an issue of it because the citizenship applicaton and the oath itself is very flawed. No sense is making an issue about taking up arms unless you are willling to challenge the whole thing. If the country decays to the point that honoring the oath would become an issue, well... we all won't likely be concerned with semantics at that point.

However, given the automated response of most issues by the USCIS authorities, they would likely deny your citizenship if they noticed among the hundreds of people taking the oath that you said no to that question, and then make you schedule an alternative oath without the baring arms part.

[Captain Oates 911]

However, given the automated response of most issues by the USCIS authorities, they would likely deny your citizenship if they noticed among the hundreds of people taking the oath that you said no to that question, and then make you schedule an alternative oath without the 'baring arms' part.

That's the answer - swear to 'bare arms ' but don't 'bear arms'

It's 110 degrees here in summer and I bare arms every day

[Redneck-NOVA 1]

If the country decays to the point that honoring the oath would become an issue, well... we all won't likely be concerned with semantics at that point.

That's a twisted statement. I always thought that honoring any oath is a proper thing to do if you took this oath volounterely and in good faith. The real problem is that the country decayed to the point when no one takes any oaths seriously and even elected officials all the way to the oval office do not honor the oath of office. What happened to "defend and protect the Constitution...against all enemies - foregn and domestic"!?!?!?