Converting to Islam

[hicham13 0]

than k u for replying but with respect the finding ur spirituel ......

i do have a comment about that the truth is clear some ppl need debates to learn from it some they know the truth and they don t wanna folowing it .... it is easy control ur emontion and listen maybe it is ganna be step and remmbre as we are muslim we belive inn jessus and mouses peace be upon .. i know it is hard for some ppl to convert but may Alah guide them

the web site just for ppll who wants to lesarn and i m so sorry if i said sth wrong tahnk u brothers and sisters

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

than k u for replying but with respect the finding ur spirituel ......

i do have a comment about that the truth is clear some ppl need debates to learn from it some they know the truth and they don t wanna folowing it .... it is easy control ur emontion and listen maybe it is ganna be step and remmbre as we are muslim we belive inn jessus and mouses peace be upon .. i know it is hard for some ppl to convert but may Alah guide them

the web site just for ppll who wants to lesarn and i m so sorry if i said sth wrong tahnk u brothers and sisters

Believing in Mouses must be the new age Religion

[morocco4ever 63]

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

L.O.L.

[Vanessa1 7]

Oh my gosh I am laughing so hard right now! THANK YOU for that picture!!!!

L.O.L.

[Mommy2ZaidnSalma 11]

lmfao!

[Staashi 371]

I believe in Mouses!!!!

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

I believe in Mouses!!!!

Adam couldnt stay a muslim bcz hes terrified of Mouses.

[Safiya&Samir 0]

I didn't mean the question to be condescending. I really wanted to understand better. I think what it boils down to is that with an organized religion you need not only faith in God, but also faith that the written word at the center of the religion is divine, e.g. the Quran. If one is unable to believe in that, then conversion does become pointless, right?

Yeah, of course. If you don't believe it, you don't. If you do, you do. Bas.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I didn't mean the question to be condescending. I really wanted to understand better. I think what it boils down to is that with an organized religion you need not only faith in God, but also faith that the written word at the center of the religion is divine, e.g. the Quran. If one is unable to believe in that, then conversion does become pointless, right?

Yeah, of course. If you don't believe it, you don't. If you do, you do. Bas.

People are certainly free to believe in what or who they want, but, it's easy to have faith in God when S/He conforms to your beliefs instead of you conforming to His.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

PS - It's disingenuous to say that those in an "organized" religion believe in everything that religion dictates. That's often not the case, as there are pro-abortion Catholics and gay rights Muslims, etc.. I'm sure, after all the disagreements I've had on this board with other Muslims arguing the "mainstream Muslim" position on issues as opposed to mine, that I have the creds to make that claim

Faith is about believing in something you can't see, touch or prove, and there is most likely going to be some discomfort in accessing beliefs that aren't entirely your own to also accept those in the faith which you do accept unconditionally. At this time in history, Muslims, in particular, are having to grapple with debatable attitudes and beliefs toward other faiths that some Muslims accept as binding on us all. This is exposing the chasms that the lack of a central authority in Islam has allowed. Who speaks for Islam? is a central question today because no one really does other than Allah, and we have given ourselves permission to pick and chose what we accept from His Message.

I know no Muslims who believe as the Taliban do that all remnants of other faiths must be erased from their proximity. Unlike Al Qaida, I know few who believe that all non-Muslims and less militant Muslims must be eliminated from Earth so that a "pure" Calipate can rule. Most Muslims I know don't want to oppress women in the way tribal interpretations of God's Will do. So, in that way, Muslim are obliged to pick and choose in regards to what Allah intends for us.

[venusfire503 54]

PS - It's disingenuous to say that those in an "organized" religion believe in everything that religion dictates. That's often not the case, as there are pro-abortion Catholics and gay rights Muslims, etc.. I'm sure, after all the disagreements I've had on this board with other Muslims arguing the "mainstream Muslim" position on issues as opposed to mine, that I have the creds to make that claim

Faith is about believing in something you can't see, touch or prove, and there is most likely going to be some discomfort in accessing beliefs that aren't entirely your own to also accept those in the faith which you do accept unconditionally. At this time in history, Muslims, in particular, are having to grapple with debatable attitudes and beliefs toward other faiths that some Muslims accept as binding on us all. This is exposing the chasms that the lack of a central authority in Islam has allowed. Who speaks for Islam? is a central question today because no one really does other than Allah, and we have given ourselves permission to pick and chose what we accept from His Message.

I know no Muslims who believe as the Taliban do that all remnants of other faiths must be erased from their proximity. Unlike Al Qaida, I know few who believe that all non-Muslims and less militant Muslims must be eliminated from Earth so that a "pure" Calipate can rule. Most Muslims I know don't want to oppress women in the way tribal interpretations of God's Will do. So, in that way, Muslim are obliged to pick and choose in regards to what Allah intends for us.

There's a big difference between accepting the religion you 'inherit' and making a decision to 'adopt' one (either because you weren't 'given' one, or because you decided to convert - for whatever reason). I think that people who 'chose' their religion would more strictly adhere to it than those who don't. Some people do make the decision to REALLY accept the one they're 'given', while others (me in the past) just follow what they were taught. And of course, some choose a different religion - or none at all.

I'm not claiming that anyone does (or even possibly can) completely follow a religion. I don't know if it's even possible. My understanding is that we're just supposed to continually improve and strive for 'perfection' of belief, thought, and action.

I'm just saying that I'm not going to convert to a religion unless I really believe it's the "right" one... "true" one? Not sure the exact word I want here. If you join a club, then decide you don't like it or don't agree with what they do, you quit. Joining a religion is SO much more than that. I haven't received some type of heavenly sign that tells me I should believe in anything in particular. I'm not being flippant - I just sometimes have difficulty finding the right way to phrase things. Sorry if I'm coming off the wrong way to anyone.

Now, as far as the religion I was born and baptized into... nothing against it. I'm not completely convinced, though. I wonder which parts of it came from God, and which parts came from the humans 'in charge'. I want to follow God's Way, not somebody else's interpretation of it. Maybe it's just my personality or something. I think if others are happy with their religion, then that's wonderful. I hope some day I will receive some sort of divine message that will guide me. For now, I'll do my best, and live my life the best way I can.

Even if I don't identify with a religion, I still have faith. Just believing in God is faith.

Also, it's the contention of some of those in the 'higher' positions in some religions that people need to follow some of the most central parts of that religion to consider themselves part of the religion. An example - the saying "You can't be Catholic and Pro-Abortion". I don't know if anyone is ever excommunicated anymore or not. I don't think someone should consider themselves part of a religion if they don't really believe that some of the most central beliefs of that religion are things they have to follow/believe in. I don't mean that we can't be imperfect humans - like I said, none of us can follow anything 100%. But to say, for example, "I'm Catholic" while thinking that there's no reason not to cheat on your spouse is illogical. I think if you're a Catholic who cheats on his or her spouse, you need to try to repent and change that behavior, not think it's ok to continue it. It is one of the Ten Commandments, after all.

venusfire

[SuperDuper! 230]

Not telling you to go one way or the other, but how long ago was it that you were kicked out of Sunday school? You might find that the Catholic Church has outstanding resources to answer all of your questions. With the help of Google and such, no one will have to put you in the corner.

Best of luck in finding your way!

If a kid is "kicked out of Catholic Sunday school" how much can kid be held accountable for "knowing better?"

Kids are given a pass in life, up to a certain point, because they are not capable or responsible of knowing certain things or being a willing participant in adult relationships or being able to sign legal contracts. They just don't know any better.

[ErikaAndHamit 73]

Sorry this is quick and rambling....I was born Catholic, grew up Christian and finally I converted from being agnostic (if that is even something you can convert from) after meeting my Muslim husband and actually kinda argued with him about Islam initially(I was misinformed and he opened my eyes) at first and I was pleasantly surprised at what I found when looking up what he as I already lived my life much how the Quran advises us to do and felt I had found my "true religion" calling me. I was so excited and found a sense of peace with Islam...however fast forward to now...I now also have the sense that many Muslim men have controlled too much of Islam and have bent the rules of Islam to fit their needs/way of life (not unlike many religions) but, don't feel like I belong anywhere or can practice with other women here in America...I feel like such an outsider being a convert...if I were living in a Muslim country I would feel so much more comfortable, but that is not possible...so here I am...I read the Quran occasionally, try to be a good person, but have not been able to go to the local mosque because most mosques are male dominated...I wouldn't even know what to do and am afraid of making a mistake in prayers....so I prefer to pray at home the way I learned when I was young and feel Allah/God won't judge me as he is loving...I know some people may attack me for doing it all wrong, but that is between me and Allah/God......my husband isn't very religious and neither am I, but we believe. I wish I were living in a MENA country with all the nice customs and even Hijab...but as it stands.....we live in the U.S so....

[Kenza 1]

Sorry this is quick and rambling....I was born Catholic, grew up Christian and finally I converted from being agnostic (if that is even something you can convert from) after meeting my Muslim husband and actually kinda argued with him about Islam initially(I was misinformed and he opened my eyes) at first and I was pleasantly surprised at what I found when looking up what he as I already lived my life much how the Quran advises us to do and felt I had found my "true religion" calling me. I was so excited and found a sense of peace with Islam...however fast forward to now...I now also have the sense that many Muslim men have controlled too much of Islam and have bent the rules of Islam to fit their needs/way of life (not unlike many religions) but, don't feel like I belong anywhere or can practice with other women here in America...I feel like such an outsider being a convert...if I were living in a Muslim country I would feel so much more comfortable, but that is not possible...so here I am...I read the Quran occasionally, try to be a good person, but have not been able to go to the local mosque because most mosques are male dominated...I wouldn't even know what to do and am afraid of making a mistake in prayers....so I prefer to pray at home the way I learned when I was young and feel Allah/God won't judge me as he is loving...I know some people may attack me for doing it all wrong, but that is between me and Allah/God......my husband isn't very religious and neither am I, but we believe. I wish I were living in a MENA country with all the nice customs and even Hijab...but as it stands.....we live in the U.S so....

Salam sis! I know how you feel sometimes about the masjids. It also depends where you live, which is unfortunate. There are 2 big masjids by me. One is very liberal and modern and the other is all arab. I go to both of them, but I don't have any friends Without that Muslim support group, it's harder to stay close to the deen. Alhamdoliallah though for the internet as there are some lovely Muslims who give lots of support.