Puerto-Rico going independant like Palau and the Marshall islands.

[Aussielad 37]

So then where does it all go dmartmar

Could they really survive going independant???

What city/town are you originally from??

We're in Mayaguez/Anasco.

I guess i'll just go to the states to naturalize if im that unsure.

However,....ever been to Guam???...they are like P-R-O-U-D to be "american"...independence doesnt even cross their mind,...its the same with the U.S. Virgin Islands,....buy why P.R.??...

Wouldnt tons of other countries here in the caribbean litterly give anything to be a U.S. territory such as the D.R. or Haiti???

[dmartmar 1]

So then, where does it all go dmartmar?

Could they really survive going independent?

I have no idea.

What city/town are you originally from?

We're in Mayaguez/Anasco.

I guess I'll just go to the states to naturalize, if I'm that unsure.

Born and raised in Rio Piedras.

However, have you ever been to Guam? They are P-R-O-U-D to be treated like "Americans!" Independence doesn't even cross their minds. It's the same with the U.S. Virgin Islands; but why P.R.?

Wouldn't tons of other countries here in the Caribbean such as the D.R. or Haiti, give literally anything to be a U.S. territory?

Which is why the Independence party accounts for only about 3% of the total voting population.

[Aussielad 37]

Rio Piedras is a pretty neat place....they got the UPR there!

[dmartmar 1]

Rio Piedras is a pretty neat place....they got the UPR there!

And in Mayaguez too!

[Aussielad 37]

But i go to another university in Mayaguez lol.

Acevedo Anibel aint looking too good either these days...

So do you live in Rio Piedras or in the U.S.??

[dmartmar 1]

But I go to another university in Mayaguez (lol).

Anibal Acevedo ain't looking too good these days either...

So, do you live in Rio Piedras or in the U.S.?

I was born and raised in Rio Piedras, but moved to North Carolina when I turned 23. I've been here ever since then. I'm currently 33. All of my family still lives down there, in either Caguas and/or Cayey.

Edited August 2, 2006 by dmartmar

[Aussielad 37]

ahhh we're going there sometime soon!,...love Cayey.

I like Manati and San Sebastian,...

would you ever come back to P.R. or is it way crazy economically bad to come back???

Its hard to get a job here.

[dmartmar 1]

Would you ever come back to PR or is it economically way too crazy bad to come back?

It's hard to get a job down here.

Which is one of the main reasons why I moved to NC.

[Aussielad 37]

and so do you get paid alot better there than you thought you ever would?

......do you miss Kanepas,....mafongo,....and Tego Calderon??

[dmartmar 1]

and so do you get paid alot better there than you thought you ever would?

......do you miss Kanepas,....mafongo,....and Tego Calderon??

Yes, I do get paid more, but nothing I didn't expect.

And no, I don't miss any of those things.

[Ladylethal 12]

Hey boriquas, my fiance is from Toa Baja, and I am living there.

[Aussielad 37]

living there right now???

[Nikita2Charles 32]

Haiti under US occupation for 17 years until the people revolted and The americans left the Island but not until they had set up a puppet govt to watch out for US interest. Right now there's a small island out the outskirt of Haiti, that is Haitian Territory but they US is claiming it as part of their territory, Long term plan to move there when The Guantanamo base expire. The people are proud to be HAITIAN, so no way they would want to be reminded of that vicious occupation time. Vive Charlmage Peralt one of the freedom fighters who was killed in the rebellion. If it was now (Today)all those freedom fighters would be label Terrorist.

So then where does it all go dmartmar

Could they really survive going independant???

What city/town are you originally from??

We're in Mayaguez/Anasco.

I guess i'll just go to the states to naturalize if im that unsure.

However,....ever been to Guam???...they are like P-R-O-U-D to be "american"...independence doesnt even cross their mind,...its the same with the U.S. Virgin Islands,....buy why P.R.??...

Wouldnt tons of other countries here in the caribbean litterly give anything to be a U.S. territory such as the D.R. or Haiti???

Have to correct that part"Wouldnt tons of other countries here in the caribbean litterly give anything to be a U.S. territory such as the D.R. or Haiti???

Haiti under US occupation for 17 years until the people revolted and The americans left the Island but not until they had set up a puppet govt to watch out for US interest. Right now there's a small island out the outskirt of Haiti, that is Haitian Territory but they US is claiming it as part of their territory, Long term plan to move there when The Guantanamo base expire. The people are proud to be HAITIAN, so no way they would want to be reminded of that vicious occupation time. Vive Charlmage Peralt one of the freedom fighters who was killed in the rebellion. If it was now (Today)all those freedom fighters would be label Terrorist.

Edited December 1, 2006 by Nikita2Charles

[desert_fox 32]

Haiti under US occupation for 17 years until the people revolted and The americans left the Island but not until they had set up a puppet govt to watch out for US interest. Right now there's a small island out the outskirt of Haiti, that is Haitian Territory but they US is claiming it as part of their territory, Long term plan to move there when The Guantanamo base expire. The people are proud to be HAITIAN, so no way they would want to be reminded of that vicious occupation time. Vive Charlmage Peralt one of the freedom fighters who was killed in the rebellion. If it was now (Today)all those freedom fighters would be label Terrorist.

for 17 years until the people revolted and The americans left the Island but not until they had set up a puppet govt to watch out for US interest. Right now there's a small island out the outskirt of Haiti, that is Haitian Territory but they US is claiming it as part of their territory, Long term plan to move there when The Guantanamo base expire. The people are proud to be HAITIAN, so no way they would want to be reminded of that vicious occupation time. Vive Charlmage Peralt one of the freedom fighters who was killed in the rebellion. If it was now (Today)all those freedom fighters would be label Terrorist.

no place is more srewed up than Haiti. US occupation??...it has been run for the last 50 years by dictators, Papa Doc and Baby Doc) and by incompetent presidents and dictators. Nothing there but poverty, corruption and danger. The economy is a shambles, it is the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere and will always be. I have no idea what your post even means. I would never recommend that anyone go to Haiti. Ive been there aned its enough to make you cry.

[Waiting and Waiting 0]

There are a couple other possibilities...the US Congress can unilaterally grant PR independence. No plebiscite. No appeal. (See the most recent report to the president on the status of PR).

In this case, anything could happen regarding citizenship. The current citizenship of PR's citizens is a legislated citizenship, not citizenship as natural-born. However, citizenship granted via naturalization is full-US citizenship. If PR were (in the unlikely case) to vote for or receive independence from the US, it is likely, but not guaranteed that current citizens could chose between US and PR citizenship, however, all future-borns would not automatically be granted citizenship. I can only theorize on this.

As for my personal POV, I have lived here full-time for 10 years and this current relationship will go on for another 100 years unless someone forces the issue. In a 2002 poll of 3000 people conducted by the leading newspaper, El Nuevo Dia, people were asked to select between statehood and independence. 36% chose independence. This is a significant number because it represent a sizable portion of the population of 4 million residents. It would take a tremendous effort to either increase or decrease this number. Multiple Orders of Magnitude. Neither side of the issue will ever achieve the type of quorum necessary to succeed by popular vote.

My suggestion is that Congress grant PR independence with a 10 year phase-in. Plebisites at 3, 6 and 9 years to choose either statehood or independence. If a quorum of a minimum of 90% for either option is achieved, then Congress will accept the will of the people. However, if less than 90% is the result, then independence is granted arbitrarily at the end of 10 years.

There is only one way to change the status quo, otherwise the island will continue with its current status forever and I am not certain that is the best option for PR.