Puerto-Rico going independant like Palau and the Marshall islands.

[Aussielad 37]

Ok. one question.

You can NEVER know whats going to happen here in Puerto-Rico,....you got the 51st state, the territory,...and the "independistas"..(independance party).

Now my question is this.....say i naturalize here as a U.S.C. when the time comes around...and a few years later it goes independant.....where would my citizenship stand???...would i be a U.S.C.....or a citizen of "Puerto Rico"??...although i'd naturalized in Puerto Rico whilst it was still under the U.S.??

I know that Palau and the Marshall Islands are now independant, BUT USED to BE under the U.S.....what happens to people born in that time while under the U.S. but now its independant??? did they all of a sudden lose their U.S. Citizenship and become citizens of the new country? or would they have kept it and anyone born/naturalized BEFORE the date of it going independant held their U.S. citizenship?

Im a little confused on this topic....diddie mermaid, Yodrak.....mdyoung....meauxna. what you think? and everyone else of course!

[Boiler 45,292]

Are there not more Puerto Ricans in New York than in Puerto Rico.

Well I guess you never know, but not something I would worry about. I would hazard a guess that you would have the advantage of being a naturalised US Citizen, not a US Puerto Rican by birth Citizen.

Just think of the complications....

Logically anybody who did not qualify for Puerto Rican Citizenship, logically by birth or immediate family, would need a Visa!

Will not happen.

[Aussielad 37]

yeah but at any time of it becomming independant, couldnt they not revoke it??

[VivaMexico 0]

I wouldn't worry about PR voting to be independent. The last vote was split between statehood and continued commonwealth status, with independence receiving about 3% of the vote if i remember correctly.

[Yodrak 7]

Aussielad,

If you are granted US citizenship it will be by the government of the USA, not by the government of Puerto Rico.

Should Puerto Rico go independent your status in Puerto Rico will depend on the laws the government of the newly independent Puerto Rico passes dealing with US citizens who are resident in Puerto Rico.

Yodrak

Ok. one question.

You can NEVER know whats going to happen here in Puerto-Rico,....you got the 51st state, the territory,...and the "independistas"..(independance party).

Now my question is this.....say i naturalize here as a U.S.C. when the time comes around...and a few years later it goes independant.....where would my citizenship stand???...would i be a U.S.C.....or a citizen of "Puerto Rico"??...although i'd naturalized in Puerto Rico whilst it was still under the U.S.??

I know that Palau and the Marshall Islands are now independant, BUT USED to BE under the U.S.....what happens to people born in that time while under the U.S. but now its independant??? did they all of a sudden lose their U.S. Citizenship and become citizens of the new country? or would they have kept it and anyone born/naturalized BEFORE the date of it going independant held their U.S. citizenship?

Im a little confused on this topic....diddie mermaid, Yodrak.....mdyoung....meauxna. what you think? and everyone else of course!

[Aussielad 37]

so in other words,...i'd be a U.S. citizen and then the "new puerto-rico" government would possibly automatically give me citizenship there aswell???

Its not that they got only 3% of the vote for independence.

Independence will win,..because the U.S. is very tired of supporting an island that gives litterly nothing back to them. It costs more to maintain it than what they give.

So the U.S. would let it go,

very true Yodrak.

But what ever happened to everyone in the former territories of Palau and the Marshall Islands when they broke away to become independent with the new "federations of Micronesia"???

Did the people from Palau and the Marshall Islands lose their citizenship,...or did they keep it and the governments of Palau and the Marshall Islands grant them residency/citzenship within Palau, M.I.?

[VivaMexico 0]

Its not that they got only 3% of the vote for independence.

Independence will win,..because the U.S. is very tired of supporting an island that gives litterly nothing back to them. It costs more to maintain it than what they give.

So the U.S. would let it go,

I'm not following your first statement that "it's not that they got only 3% of the vote"

#1. independence won't win in Puerto Rico

#2. Puerto Rico gives a lot back in terms of a strategic location for military bases, commerce, etc. True, the U.S. spends a lot of money on infrastructure, hurricane cleanup, etc., but it is a worthwhile investment to have a territory in that part of the world.

[Aussielad 37]

military bases are starting to leave, Vieques was a major issue with the neuclear activity happening and a friendly-fire that resulted in someone from Vieques being killed. not many are left, the biggest one is in Aguadilla.

As in 3% of the vote, well, yeah it only get about that amount, but in the end people here think that the U.S. will just let it go. hard topic.

I think living here would help for someone to understand the situation.

Are you from here originally???

[zyggy 9]

How citizenship will be given to people from Puerto Rico should it become independent will be dealt with between the US Government and Puerto Rico should that come to pass. No use worrying about it now...

I would assume that it would involve keeping US Citizenship for those Puerto Ricans living in the US and some sort of residency permission in the US for a period of time for Puerto Rico Citizens much like the Marshall Islands...

To answer your question about Palau and the Marshall Islands... yes... these individuals lost their US Nationality once they became independent nations, but retained the right to live, work and study in the US without a visa...

http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffair...s_FS_021105.pdf

Edited July 20, 2006 by zyggy

[Aussielad 37]

How citizenship will be given to people from Puerto Rico should it become independent will be dealt with between the US Government and Puerto Rico should that come to pass. No use worrying about it now...

I would assume that it would involve keeping US Citizenship for those Puerto Ricans living in the US and some sort of residency permission in the US for a period of time for Puerto Rico Citizens much like the Marshall Islands...

To answer your question about Palau and the Marshall Islands... yes... these individuals lost their US Nationality once they became independent nations, but retained the right to live, work and study in the US without a visa...

http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffair...s_FS_021105.pdf

Ok, keeping citizenship for those already in the U.S.....but what about those who NATURALIZE in Puerto-Rico, i would HOPE....that ANYONE who NATURALIZES in Puerto-Rico while it would still be under U.S. LAW, would retain their U.S. Citizenship, and be granted like Puerto-Rican permanent residency.

And those who either were BORN or NATURALIZED in Puerto-Rico would retain U.S. citzenship BEFORE the date that Puerto-Rico became independant. But anyone AFTER the date of Independence would be recognized 100% PR citizen.

Then again who knows.....they could make a pact like they did with the Marshall Islands

Its just that i dont want my citizenship (and probably alot of other people) to be up in limbo 10-20 years time down the track you know what im saying???

[VivaMexico 0]

military bases are starting to leave, Vieques was a major issue with the neuclear activity happening and a friendly-fire that resulted in someone from Vieques being killed. not many are left, the biggest one is in Aguadilla.

As in 3% of the vote, well, yeah it only get about that amount, but in the end people here think that the U.S. will just let it go. hard topic.

I think living here would help for someone to understand the situation.

Are you from here originally???

not from there originally, but I've been there many times. That and my best friend's father was the Independence Party's candidate for governor several times recently.

[dmartmar 1]

Ok. one question.

You can NEVER know what's going to happen here in Puerto-Rico. You got the 51st state, the territory and the "independentistas" (independence party).

Now, my question is this: say I naturalize here as a U.S.C. when the time comes around and a few years later it goes independent; where would my citizenship stand? Would I still be a U.S.C or a citizen of "Puerto Rico," even though I naturalized in Puerto Rico while it was still under the U.S?

I know that Palau and the Marshall Islands are now independent, but they USED to be under the U.S. What happens to the people born during the time while under the U.S., but are now independent? Did they all of a sudden lose their U.S. Citizenships and became citizens of their own country? Would they have kept it and anyone born/naturalized BEFORE the date of going independent held their U.S. citizenships?

I'm a little confused on this topic. Diddie mermaid, Yodrak, mdyoung, meauxna; what do you all think and everyone else of course?

Let me give it to you straight, since I was born and raised on the island myself and know more about its political status than you most probably do.

PR's Independence party (PIP) is made up and supported by a very few minority and only accounts for about 3% of total votes, which means independence won't happen anytime soon. It has been, is and will always be that way. Not only that, but even if the PIP was to miraculously win an election sometime in the near future, it wouldn't mean that right away PR would become a republic. The actual outcome of whether PR becomes independent, turns into a state or keeps its commonwealth status depends solely on the US Congress. They either deny or approve go and do its own thing. And even then, independence is not guaranteed.

Same goes for the statehood party, who have not yet been able to turn PR into the "51st State" to this date, even though it has won many an election with overwhelming majority.

In other words, PR's own self-determination doesn't rely on its voters, nor its political parties. It solely relies and rests upon the shoulders of the US Congress.

[Artegal 1]

Puerto Ricans here in Atlanta, (which there are many) tell me it would be very stupid for PR to become independent. Statehood is more likely--but not that likely--which just goes to show how unlikely an independent PR would be. I would worry more about you being convicted of a felony--and this jeopardizing your citizenship then suddenly PR becoming a new country.

[Aussielad 37]

Ok. one question.

You can NEVER know what's going to happen here in Puerto-Rico. You got the 51st state, the territory and the "independentistas" (independence party).

Now, my question is this: say I naturalize here as a U.S.C. when the time comes around and a few years later it goes independent; where would my citizenship stand? Would I still be a U.S.C or a citizen of "Puerto Rico," even though I naturalized in Puerto Rico while it was still under the U.S?

I know that Palau and the Marshall Islands are now independent, but they USED to be under the U.S. What happens to the people born during the time while under the U.S., but are now independent? Did they all of a sudden lose their U.S. Citizenships and became citizens of their own country? Would they have kept it and anyone born/naturalized BEFORE the date of going independent held their U.S. citizenships?

I'm a little confused on this topic. Diddie mermaid, Yodrak, mdyoung, meauxna; what do you all think and everyone else of course?

Let me give it to you straight, since I was born and raised on the island myself and know more about its political status than you most probably do.

PR's Independence party (PIP) is made up and supported by a very few minority and only accounts for about 3% of total votes, which means independence won't happen anytime soon. It has been, is and will always be that way. Not only that, but even if the PIP was to miraculously win an election sometime in the near future, it wouldn't mean that right away PR would become a republic. The actual outcome of whether PR becomes independent, turns into a state or keeps its commonwealth status depends solely on the US Congress. They either deny or approve go and do its own thing. And even then, independence is not guaranteed.

Same goes for the statehood party, who have not yet been able to turn PR into the "51st State" to this date, even though it has won many an election with overwhelming majority.

In other words, PR's own self-determination doesn't rely on its voters, nor its political parties. It solely relies and rests upon the shoulders of the US Congress.

Pfffft,.....my friend i know just as much as you do on the topic. I live here aswell, and have lived here for a while now.

The only problem is,....when you have a lazy nation of people who dont do much to better their situation, why would you want to keep it???....problems with being "autosuficiente".....relying on government handouts.

Well...need not worry. thanks though!

[dmartmar 1]

Pfffft,.....my friend i know just as much as you do on the topic. I live here aswell, and have lived here for a while now.

The only problem is,....when you have a lazy nation of people who dont do much to better their situation, why would you want to keep it???....problems with being "autosuficiente".....relying on government handouts.

Well...need not worry. thanks though!

Spain first made us that way and then the US.