Question re: I-129F

[Michyme82 0]

I'm on question #10

Birth in the U.S. Naturalization

Give number of certificate, date and place it was issued

I'm confused about the date and place it was issued, my fiance was born April 6 1970 but his certificate says date issued Dec. 6, 2006- He lots his original one so this is the date on the new one. would I write that date in or it also says Date received by local registrar- April 22, 1970- would I put tis date in.

Also re: place it was issued do you put the State, Town, Hospital?

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

I'm on question #10

Birth in the U.S. Naturalization

Give number of certificate, date and place it was issued

I'm confused about the date and place it was issued, my fiance was born April 6 1970 but his certificate says date issued Dec. 6, 2006- He lots his original one so this is the date on the new one. would I write that date in or it also says Date received by local registrar- April 22, 1970- would I put tis date in.

Also re: place it was issued do you put the State, Town, Hospital?

I think you're getting confused.

The "certificate number" is only if citizenship was acquired by naturalization, meaning he became a citizen after immigrating to the US. If he was born in the US, then his citizenship was acquired "by birth".

If he was born in the US, then check "Birth in the U.S.", and leave it at that. Provide proof of his citizenship - photocopy of both sides of certified copy of birth certificate, or photocopy of all pages of US passport.

If he was born in another country, and acquired his citizenship by naturalization after immigrating to the US, then check "Naturalization", and provide the number and date on his Certificate of Naturalization. Provide a copy of the certificate with the petition.

[Stephen + Elisha 92]

I'm on question #10

Birth in the U.S. Naturalization

Give number of certificate, date and place it was issued

I'm confused about the date and place it was issued, my fiance was born April 6 1970 but his certificate says date issued Dec. 6, 2006- He lots his original one so this is the date on the new one. would I write that date in or it also says Date received by local registrar- April 22, 1970- would I put tis date in.

Also re: place it was issued do you put the State, Town, Hospital?

I think you're getting confused.

The "certificate number" is only if citizenship was acquired by naturalization, meaning he became a citizen after immigrating to the US. If he was born in the US, then his citizenship was acquired "by birth".

If he was born in the US, then check "Birth in the U.S.", and leave it at that. Provide proof of his citizenship - photocopy of both sides of certified copy of birth certificate, or photocopy of all pages of US passport.

If he was born in another country, and acquired his citizenship by naturalization after immigrating to the US, then check "Naturalization", and provide the number and date on his Certificate of Naturalization. Provide a copy of the certificate with the petition.

This is all correct, but you've left out one possibility: Citizenship through one or both parents. In this case, he would provide either a copy of his FS-240 Consular Report of Birth Abroad or, if he has obtained a Certificate of Citizenship, a copy of that certificate. In addition, he would provide the certificate number, date and place of issue on the I-129F.

[Otto 83]

This is all correct, but you've left out one possibility: Citizenship through one or both parents. In this case, he would provide either a copy of his FS-240 Consular Report of Birth Abroad or, if he has obtained a Certificate of Citizenship, a copy of that certificate. In addition, he would provide the certificate number, date and place of issue on the I-129F.

I was born abroad and provided no such documentation - simply my birth certificate would have sufficed (although I didn't include it at the time, I used my passport as proof).

[Michyme82 0]

I'm a bit confused, he was born in the United States so I checked of (Birth) but it asks for- Give number of certificate, date and place it was issued.

[Stephen + Elisha 92]

This is all correct, but you've left out one possibility: Citizenship through one or both parents. In this case, he would provide either a copy of his FS-240 Consular Report of Birth Abroad or, if he has obtained a Certificate of Citizenship, a copy of that certificate. In addition, he would provide the certificate number, date and place of issue on the I-129F.

I was born abroad and provided no such documentation - simply my birth certificate would have sufficed (although I didn't include it at the time, I used my passport as proof).

Perhaps if you were born in a US military hospital a birth certificate would suffice to prove US citizenship. In general, however, I think it's safest to advise people to go by the I-129F instructions:

C. If you were born outside the United States and you are a U.S. citizen

through your parents, give USCIS:

1. Your original Certificate of Citizenship, or

2. Your Form FS-240 (Report of Birth Abroad of a United States Citizen).

D. In place of any of the above, you may give USCIS a copy of your valid,

unexpired U.S. passport issued with a validity period of at least five years.

You must submit copies of all pages in the passport.

I'm a bit confused, he was born in the United States so I checked of (Birth) but it asks for- Give number of certificate, date and place it was issued.

No need. Number of certificate, date and place it was issued only apply to naturalization certificates, provided by those who obtained US citizenship by naturalization. Provide a copy of both sides of his certified birth certificate, or all pages of his valid, unexpired passport, and you're good to go.

[Otto 83]

I'm a bit confused, he was born in the United States so I checked of (Birth) but it asks for- Give number of certificate, date and place it was issued.

In your case - just like the example form, leave the date/place/certificate-number portions blank.

[Michyme82 0]

I'm sorry I wasn't reading it carefully (bad me) you only write the certificate number if you were Naturalization. Sorry guys but thank you

[Michyme82 0]

Sorry I got one more question it says on I-129F- Phone Number; Include Country, City and Area Codes)

So would I put (my phone number, Canada, Brampton- 905)

[Otto 83]

Sorry I got one more question it says on I-129F- Phone Number; Include Country, City and Area Codes)

So would I put (my phone number, Canada, Brampton- 905)

No..it is referring to your phone number and to be sure to include your country/city code(s) in the telephone number. (In other words - if a person were to call you from outside the country, the number they would dial.)

See Example I-129F Form

[Nik+Heather 121]

Sorry I got one more question it says on I-129F- Phone Number; Include Country, City and Area Codes)

So would I put (my phone number, Canada, Brampton- 905)

No, you need to figure out the numbers - no words. Put them just how they would be dialed. Usually with a + in front reminding them that they need to dial whatever numbers to indicate it is an international call. If you wanted to call that famous girl in the US, it would be +15558675309 - 1 for the country code, 555 for the area code, and 8675309 for the phone number.

[Michyme82 0]

Thanks so much

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

Perhaps if you were born in a US military hospital a birth certificate would suffice to prove US citizenship. In general, however, I think it's safest to advise people to go by the I-129F instructions:

Most US military bases in foreign countries are not US territory (they are usually leased from the foreign government), so birth at a US military base in a foreign country does not automatically qualify the child for US citizenship. A report of birth abroad is still required. If the qualifying parent is in the military, then the report is usually filed with the military passport authority at the base. Otherwise, it's filed with the consulate in the foreign country, as usual. A CRBA, Certificate of Citizenship (not everyone applies for one of these), or copy of passport is required to prove citizenship. A birth certificate alone won't work.

Sorry I got one more question it says on I-129F- Phone Number; Include Country, City and Area Codes)

So would I put (my phone number, Canada, Brampton- 905)

Country code isn't necessary for phone numbers in Canada. Phones in Canada can be dialed from the US using only area code and number, just like phones in the US. Basically, they're asking for the phone number as it would be dialed from the US.

[Stephen + Elisha 92]

Perhaps if you were born in a US military hospital a birth certificate would suffice to prove US citizenship. In general, however, I think it's safest to advise people to go by the I-129F instructions:

Most US military bases in foreign countries are not US territory (they are usually leased from the foreign government), so birth at a US military base in a foreign country does not automatically qualify the child for US citizenship. A report of birth abroad is still required. If the qualifying parent is in the military, then the report is usually filed with the military passport authority at the base. Otherwise, it's filed with the consulate in the foreign country, as usual. A CRBA, Certificate of Citizenship (not everyone applies for one of these), or copy of passport is required to prove citizenship. A birth certificate alone won't work.

Good info. I suspected this was the case, but was trying to reconcile what I knew with Otto und Karin's statement above regarding being born abroad and requiring only a birth certificate.

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

Perhaps if you were born in a US military hospital a birth certificate would suffice to prove US citizenship. In general, however, I think it's safest to advise people to go by the I-129F instructions:

Most US military bases in foreign countries are not US territory (they are usually leased from the foreign government), so birth at a US military base in a foreign country does not automatically qualify the child for US citizenship. A report of birth abroad is still required. If the qualifying parent is in the military, then the report is usually filed with the military passport authority at the base. Otherwise, it's filed with the consulate in the foreign country, as usual. A CRBA, Certificate of Citizenship (not everyone applies for one of these), or copy of passport is required to prove citizenship. A birth certificate alone won't work.

Good info. I suspected this was the case, but was trying to reconcile what I knew with Otto und Karin's statement above regarding being born abroad and requiring only a birth certificate.

Yeah, that has me a little confused. There are strict laws about what constitutes citizenship by birth. It's spelled out in detail here:

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf

There are specific US territories where birth will mean automatic citizenship, such as Puerto Rico, Guam, the US Virgin Islands, and (since 1986) the Northern Mariana Islands. There are also US territories where being born only confers US nationality, but NOT citizenship, such as American Samoa.

In most cases, birth in the air or at sea within US territorial waters (12 miles, not 200) or airspace can also result in automatic citizenship (there are numerous exceptions to this). Other than that, there aren't many cases where you can be born "abroad" and have automatic US citizenship where the birth certificate alone would establish the citizenship. Even being born at a US embassy or consulate does not automatically confer citizenship. If it did, foreign consulate employees would try to give birth at work!