Behavior you (USC man) find odd

[HannahP 119]

I see young women like college students looking downright sloppy and shabby. It's the new look...worn out jeans, raggedy sweat pants and so forth. To make it worse we now have to look at tattoos and piercings. Not only do they look poorly but now also have a dark quality as well. They're confused about what it is to be female, and I can see why.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

I'm hot and I'm powerful too.

Brad - your wife is a hot stuff, and has excellent outfits. Also AkGuy has a really hot wife (fiance?) - truly stunning. American ladies appreciate beauty, I've not heard that Maybelline's or L'Oreals stock crashing from lack of makeup sales in the USA.

[Brad and Vika 129]

I'm hot and I'm powerful too.

Brad - your wife is a hot stuff, and has excellent outfits. Also AkGuy has a really hot wife (fiance?) - truly stunning. American ladies appreciate beauty, I've not heard that Maybelline's or L'Oreals stock crashing from lack of makeup sales in the USA.

Good points, those. Thanks much!

[visaveteran 1]

I'm hot and I'm powerful too.

Brad - your wife is a hot stuff, and has excellent outfits. Also AkGuy has a really hot wife (fiance?) - truly stunning. American ladies appreciate beauty, I've not heard that Maybelline's or L'Oreals stock crashing from lack of makeup sales in the USA.

Go to any USA Starbucks cafe. Sit for one hour and watch the USA ladies roll in and out. Then get back to me.

Your comments about other men's wives is interesting...are you bisexual?

[Welshcookie 17]

Your comments about other men's wives is interesting...are you bisexual?

Actually, most women on the whole can appreciate and comment upon another woman's attractiveness without feeling awkward about it....it doesn't make us bisexual

[visaveteran 1]

Your comments about other men's wives is interesting...are you bisexual?

Actually, most women on the whole can appreciate and comment upon another woman's attractiveness without feeling awkward about it....it doesn't make us bisexual

It's one thing for a woman to say another woman is attractive, or her dress or hair looks nice or whatever...it's something else to say she's "hot." I think a lot of American women are bisexual or bi-curious. I dated a number or them when I was still "hitting my head against the wall" and trying to find an suitable American wife.

[SuperDuper! 230]

What a great topic, re women who care and dont care to put much effort in making themselves look nice.

What is great is going into a walmart, costco, target, supermarket, take your pick. And see all the american wives in their sweatpants, tennies, no make-up and unwashed hair in pony tails. Then you will see the american man with his young, petite Asian wife, and she is dolled up and looking fresh and sexy in her 3" heels with long-flowing shiny black hair (men LOVE shiny hair, btw ladies).

It just tells so much how a woman cares enough for her man btw she makes him so proud to be seen with her and turn heads!

Edited November 15, 2009 by Hopp

[Brad and Vika 129]

Your comments about other men's wives is interesting...are you bisexual?

Actually, most women on the whole can appreciate and comment upon another woman's attractiveness without feeling awkward about it....it doesn't make us bisexual

It's one thing for a woman to say another woman is attractive, or her dress or hair looks nice or whatever...it's something else to say she's "hot." I think a lot of American women are bisexual or bi-curious. I dated a number or them when I was still "hitting my head against the wall" and trying to find an suitable American wife.

Just curious VV, but why all the hostility? Although this is the internet, we do try (usually) to get along with each other. Are you having a laugh, trying to irritate? I do that myself sometimes. Hopefully, you aren't as torqued out as you sound

[eekee 182]

Your comments about other men's wives is interesting...are you bisexual?

Actually, most women on the whole can appreciate and comment upon another woman's attractiveness without feeling awkward about it....it doesn't make us bisexual

It's one thing for a woman to say another woman is attractive, or her dress or hair looks nice or whatever...it's something else to say she's "hot." I think a lot of American women are bisexual or bi-curious. I dated a number or them when I was still "hitting my head against the wall" and trying to find an suitable American wife.

Perhaps it's generational, because it's a normal thing for women of my age to tell each other that they look hot or whatever without any connotation of actually wanting to sleep with them. I also have a lot of male friends, and when I go out with them I'll often share my opinion on whether I think a girl in a bar is attractive or not. It certainly does not mean that I am bisexual.

[visaveteran 1]

Your comments about other men's wives is interesting...are you bisexual?

Actually, most women on the whole can appreciate and comment upon another woman's attractiveness without feeling awkward about it....it doesn't make us bisexual

It's one thing for a woman to say another woman is attractive, or her dress or hair looks nice or whatever...it's something else to say she's "hot." I think a lot of American women are bisexual or bi-curious. I dated a number or them when I was still "hitting my head against the wall" and trying to find an suitable American wife.

Perhaps it's generational, because it's a normal thing for women of my age to tell each other that they look hot or whatever without any connotation of actually wanting to sleep with them. I also have a lot of male friends, and when I go out with them I'll often share my opinion on whether I think a girl in a bar is attractive or not. It certainly does not mean that I am bisexual.

That's a good point and I've said myself a lot of what dictates behavior, as with Russian women, has to do with age...or as you say, generational.

[visaveteran 1]

Your comments about other men's wives is interesting...are you bisexual?

Actually, most women on the whole can appreciate and comment upon another woman's attractiveness without feeling awkward about it....it doesn't make us bisexual

It's one thing for a woman to say another woman is attractive, or her dress or hair looks nice or whatever...it's something else to say she's "hot." I think a lot of American women are bisexual or bi-curious. I dated a number or them when I was still "hitting my head against the wall" and trying to find an suitable American wife.

Just curious VV, but why all the hostility? Although this is the internet, we do try (usually) to get along with each other. Are you having a laugh, trying to irritate? I do that myself sometimes. Hopefully, you aren't as torqued out as you sound

I don't know how long you've been on this forum but I lurked for a LONG time before jumping in and I've seen some nasty, knock down, drag out internet battle royals on this forum. Some of it comes right at you, and some of it comes in sideways.

We all come to the table with some gold to offer and also some shadow. I'm no exception...nor or you. Some like to say with the darkness, there can be no light. I agree. So maybe a little shadow is helpful to get some of us back into the light.

With that said, I happen to believe men in the USA have grown soft, weak and confused about being "fierce" men. I judge men need to ultimately get in touch with what some masculine psyche experts call, The Wild Man." He's not exactly a "warrior" but he has a determination, a fierceness, a "no bull" view of the world. These were the men who won WWII for example.

Today, we have a preponderance of nice boys who were raised by their mothers or with a weak or detached father. The mother will always want to keep her nice, polite, soft little boy, so the boy grows up to be a 50 year-old nice boy. He never steps up to adult masculinity. He never is shown his fierce side.

So, today, when all these "nice boys" meet up with a fierce and strong man, they find themselves uncomfortable with the presence of an authentic "wild man." They will dislike him, fear him, mistrust him...but deep down they will envy him.

So, maybe you should not ask me why I'm so "hostile", maybe you should ask yourself why you're so bothered by another man's comments?

[Brad and Vika 129]

Your comments about other men's wives is interesting...are you bisexual?

Actually, most women on the whole can appreciate and comment upon another woman's attractiveness without feeling awkward about it....it doesn't make us bisexual

It's one thing for a woman to say another woman is attractive, or her dress or hair looks nice or whatever...it's something else to say she's "hot." I think a lot of American women are bisexual or bi-curious. I dated a number or them when I was still "hitting my head against the wall" and trying to find an suitable American wife.

Just curious VV, but why all the hostility? Although this is the internet, we do try (usually) to get along with each other. Are you having a laugh, trying to irritate? I do that myself sometimes. Hopefully, you aren't as torqued out as you sound

I don't know how long you've been on this forum but I lurked for a LONG time before jumping in and I've seen some nasty, knock down, drag out internet battle royals on this forum. Some of it comes right at you, and some of it comes in sideways.

We all come to the table with some gold to offer and also some shadow. I'm no exception...nor or you. Some like to say with the darkness, there can be no light. I agree. So maybe a little shadow is helpful to get some of us back into the light.

With that said, I happen to believe men in the USA have grown soft, weak and confused about being "fierce" men. I judge men need to ultimately get in touch with what some masculine psyche experts call, The Wild Man." He's not exactly a "warrior" but he has a determination, a fierceness, a "no bull" view of the world. These were the men who won WWII for example.

Today, we have a preponderance of nice boys who were raised by their mothers or with a weak or detached father. The mother will always want to keep her nice, polite, soft little boy, so the boy grows up to be a 50 year-old nice boy. He never steps up to adult masculinity. He never is shown his fierce side.

So, today, when all these "nice boys" meet up with a fierce and strong man, they find themselves uncomfortable with the presence of an authentic "wild man." They will dislike him, fear him, mistrust him...but deep down they will envy him.

So, maybe you should not ask me why I'm so "hostile", maybe you should ask yourself why you're so bothered by another man's comments?

Well, I guess that answers the question... er... sort of. Not having a laugh, just attacking any one who questions you, you BIG, STRONG, WILDMAN YOU!!! I am SOO envious and threatened by your internet masculinity, your virtual power, your prescient knowledge of my childhood! I bow down, oh loincloth clad internet god.

Now the next question is - can you take a joke without attacking some more? More to follow I would bet.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

They were merged because the Belarus and Ukraine people hung out here all the time anyway, so the change was requested to reflect the true makeup of the Forum Formerly Known As the Russia Forum.

I see. No problem for me. I am never one to crash a party and I see that Visa Veteran is correct on this point, at least in this forum.

When I asked Ewok to change the forum name to include Belarus and Ukraine, it was for both of the reasons stated above. I thought that (after asking for feedback from the community here) that there were enough cultural similarities amongst those three countries that there should be a change in the forum to reflect that affinity. Since most VJ members with Eastern European SOs used this as their home forum anyway it seemed appropriate to make it official.

Now, (sort of). My wife falls somewhere between the two described above. She wears her ring on the left, because (her words) she married an American, and wants to conform in some ways to the culture she lives in. Because she isn't working now, she does most of the cooking, and I definitely eat better and healthier than I ever did before - including loads of fish and soup. Because I finally have her convinced that she looks great without makeup too, she sometimes goes without it, and will wear less most days (unless we are meeting other Eastern Europeans - they always get the full treatment). She wears jeans and casual clothes most of the time because I do.I pay a service to do the serious cleaning, and Vika definitely does not dress me, nor do I want that.

If I follow your logic in merging the RUB, then why not include all FSU countries under one forum? Why only the three? As for the Ukraine, the country is very different than Russia. You don't need visas to go there and it has become a different society. But the Crimea area is more pro Russian, while other areas are not. It's very hard to lump the country into a category. Maybe it should stand alone?

I always encourage my wife to use make-up and dress nicely because it is her way and I like the energy she puts into looking great. My wife is truly beautiful and could easily walk around without make-up and nice clothes and still turn heads, but I want the American women to see what a feminine, classic beauty looks like..because i think they've forgotten...and the men too. If men what to downgrade their wives intentions to look great, so be it. But it is only following the tenets of the feminists, who despise old school beauty.

I love my wife to dress me...nothing quite like it. Unless it is to be "undressed." I deserve it. And the more she treats me like a king, the more I act like one.

You really should stick to your sermons on Russia based on your 6 visits to Russia before commenting on Ukraine. Ukraine is heavily influenced by Russian culture far beyond the Crimea, 93% Russian in Donetsk Oblast, 84% in Odessa Oblast, 87% in Kharkov Oblast. There are some differences but I do not like to deal in broad generalities. If I did I would say Ukrainian women are milder tempered and cleaner. But how can I judge after meeting, living with and working with only a few thousand every day?

One thing is certain. I do not need to encourage my wife to wear make-up, she devotes herself to her family and husband and I put my own socks on. To try and say all Russian or Ukrainian women are the same is a fool's errand. Yes, they have generalities, yes they have different ideas about male and female roles, yes they are more beautiful (percentage speaking) and despite my jokes of Dr. Finetush's secret laboratory in the Caucasus Mountians, they are individuals all. I can give you a list very long of Ukrainian women I did not want to marry! I can slso say that after living there, no American woman could interest me at all. Being American is a deal breaker for me.

Again, I do not like to generalize. If I did, I would say your wife is from a small village. There is a far bigger difference in culture between city and village people in Ukraine and Russia than even between the countries or even between THIS country and thiers. Alla is from a big city, worked in big cities all over the FSU (in fact was a representative for a large Moscow based firm, so it seems they thought this Ukrainian woman was worthy of representing them for millions in business every year...imagine that!) Her lifestyle changed very little when moving here. No more so than an American moving from a big city to a rural island, Our flat in Donetsk is pretty much furnished like our house in Vermont, no big surprise...same decorator.

[visaveteran 1]

Your comments about other men's wives is interesting...are you bisexual?

Actually, most women on the whole can appreciate and comment upon another woman's attractiveness without feeling awkward about it....it doesn't make us bisexual

It's one thing for a woman to say another woman is attractive, or her dress or hair looks nice or whatever...it's something else to say she's "hot." I think a lot of American women are bisexual or bi-curious. I dated a number or them when I was still "hitting my head against the wall" and trying to find an suitable American wife.

Just curious VV, but why all the hostility? Although this is the internet, we do try (usually) to get along with each other. Are you having a laugh, trying to irritate? I do that myself sometimes. Hopefully, you aren't as torqued out as you sound

I don't know how long you've been on this forum but I lurked for a LONG time before jumping in and I've seen some nasty, knock down, drag out internet battle royals on this forum. Some of it comes right at you, and some of it comes in sideways.

We all come to the table with some gold to offer and also some shadow. I'm no exception...nor or you. Some like to say with the darkness, there can be no light. I agree. So maybe a little shadow is helpful to get some of us back into the light.

With that said, I happen to believe men in the USA have grown soft, weak and confused about being "fierce" men. I judge men need to ultimately get in touch with what some masculine psyche experts call, The Wild Man." He's not exactly a "warrior" but he has a determination, a fierceness, a "no bull" view of the world. These were the men who won WWII for example.

Today, we have a preponderance of nice boys who were raised by their mothers or with a weak or detached father. The mother will always want to keep her nice, polite, soft little boy, so the boy grows up to be a 50 year-old nice boy. He never steps up to adult masculinity. He never is shown his fierce side.

So, today, when all these "nice boys" meet up with a fierce and strong man, they find themselves uncomfortable with the presence of an authentic "wild man." They will dislike him, fear him, mistrust him...but deep down they will envy him.

So, maybe you should not ask me why I'm so "hostile", maybe you should ask yourself why you're so bothered by another man's comments?

Well, I guess that answers the question... er... sort of. Not having a laugh, just attacking any one who questions you, you BIG, STRONG, WILDMAN YOU!!! I am SOO envious and threatened by your internet masculinity, your virtual power, your prescient knowledge of my childhood! I bow down, oh loincloth clad internet god.

Now the next question is - can you take a joke without attacking some more? More to follow I would bet.

You are sometimes funny, I will say...for whatever that's worth.

I see the current forum, including you, prefers light, silly and simple when it comes to exchanges. I miss some of the previous posters like Bobalouie, Turboguy and Kazan Tiger to name a few. Maybe they left for a good reason?

If you use trigger words like "hostile" and "attack" you should expect a little push back, not laughs. BTW, I've done about 18 years worth of education, study and experiential personal work on the issue of men in modern America. I would be comfortable calling myself an expert. I think men have become too good at making jokes or acting silly, and too weak at being honest, strong, emotionally literate men.

And when I look at the state of things in the world, I ask, what's so funny?

[*Snowdrop* 604]

There's something so compelling about this thread - it's like a little bit of online theatre.

BTW - as a (European) woman I find the generalisations about American women a little odd - in my 11 months living over here I've met a huge variety of people with very different personalities, likes, dislikes, appearance etc - and that goes for both US men and women. I find that dress isn't as formal for social occasions here as in the UK but the people I meet certainly make a very smart effort with their appearance. (And in fact the American women I socialise with seem to make a lot more of an effort than their American husbands to dress up - are all you guys dressing up to match your beautiful brides?)