ND blue slip Can we do anything?

[BinhJerome 14]

I am sure this question has been raised before, and certain it will be brought up in the future as well. Is there anything we can do about a ND blue slip just telling us to wait for them to review the petition?? I hate to just sit and wait. I want to know if there is anyone we can talk to, or anything along these lines. I have already emailed them, and got the automated response back. Should I email them weekly? Would now be a good time to call my senator? Call the US consulate? I do not want to step on toes yet and frustrate people that have the power over my future, but as I said I do not want to lay down and take it up the rear either. I know that even if they deny our petition we have talked about me moving there. All that really matters to me is to be with Binh. I want no more and will accept no less. Any advice would be appreciated.

Jerome

[BinhJerome 14]

This is out 2nd blue slip the 2 got deleted

[Kevin and 10]

I am sure this question has been raised before, and certain it will be brought up in the future as well. Is there anything we can do about a ND blue slip just telling us to wait for them to review the petition?? I hate to just sit and wait. I want to know if there is anyone we can talk to, or anything along these lines. I have already emailed them, and got the automated response back. Should I email them weekly? Would now be a good time to call my senator? Call the US consulate? I do not want to step on toes yet and frustrate people that have the power over my future, but as I said I do not want to lay down and take it up the rear either. I know that even if they deny our petition we have talked about me moving there. All that really matters to me is to be with Binh. I want no more and will accept no less. Any advice would be appreciated.

Jerome

I emailed the Consulate just about every week. Sometimes I would ask specific questions about our case. That way they had to look into it instead of giving us the canned response. I don't know how much it helped/hurt our case though. It took about 5 months in AP before we got their decision.

[Dakine 26]

I contacted my senator who found out exactly why they put my fiancee on AR. That's about all they can do.

They did tell me what I had to send to the embassy to try and get approval.

Edited August 20, 2009 by Haole

[ScottThuy 140]

I contacted my senator who found out exactly why they put my fiancee on AR. That's about all they can do.

They did tell me what I had to send to the embassy to try and get approval.

That wasn't HCMC though... I'm not sure if that would be the same in HCMC... I suspect most of the folks getting 2 blues are sitting in a queue awaiting a fraud investigators review of the case... If the CO isn't 100 % comfortable after the first blue slip they pass the buck off to the fraud invstigator to have the liability of the decision in their lap not the CO, else they have a pink at the second visit. The good thing is that they didn't deny and send back to USCIS.. if at this point they gave a blue slip saying that there was nothing additional needed.. I would have a serious problem if there was in fact something at that point that I could submit to get it approved that they did not notify me of...

It will be interesting to see if John has any results from his letter to his Congressman... They noted that they would have a rsponse for him... what quality of a response is yet to be seen.

[BinhJerome 14]

I contacted my senator who found out exactly why they put my fiancee on AR. That's about all they can do.

They did tell me what I had to send to the embassy to try and get approval.

That wasn't HCMC though... I'm not sure if that would be the same in HCMC... I suspect most of the folks getting 2 blues are sitting in a queue awaiting a fraud investigators review of the case... If the CO isn't 100 % comfortable after the first blue slip they pass the buck off to the fraud invstigator to have the liability of the decision in their lap not the CO, else they have a pink at the second visit. The good thing is that they didn't deny and send back to USCIS.. if at this point they gave a blue slip saying that there was nothing additional needed.. I would have a serious problem if there was in fact something at that point that I could submit to get it approved that they did not notify me of...

It will be interesting to see if John has any results from his letter to his Congressman... They noted that they would have a rsponse for him... what quality of a response is yet to be seen.

Yeah, I know it is better than a denial, but my god, if I was worried about fraud, I would not suspect a teacher that has been teaching at the same school for 6 straight years now, not to mention that I have been with my same company since 2001. I think the Co did not like the fact that my ex wife was in prison. Binh said she saw a pink slip during the interview but when they asked about my ex wife his expression changed. Who knows, I just want to ge with her ffs!!!

[ScottThuy 140]

Yeah, I know it is better than a denial, but my god, if I was worried about fraud, I would not suspect a teacher that has been teaching at the same school for 6 straight years now, not to mention that I have been with my same company since 2001. I think the Co did not like the fact that my ex wife was in prison. Binh said she saw a pink slip during the interview but when they asked about my ex wife his expression changed. Who knows, I just want to ge with her ffs!!!

Oh well.. then that will be a pain in the butt for me since my first wife is in Prison now and if I remember another often seen VN VJer has an ex in the pokey... I dont see how they could hold that against us...they are the F-ups and thats why we are not with them... did your first wife come over as a K-1? or was she a USC?

[BinhJerome 14]

Yeah, I know it is better than a denial, but my god, if I was worried about fraud, I would not suspect a teacher that has been teaching at the same school for 6 straight years now, not to mention that I have been with my same company since 2001. I think the Co did not like the fact that my ex wife was in prison. Binh said she saw a pink slip during the interview but when they asked about my ex wife his expression changed. Who knows, I just want to ge with her ffs!!!

Oh well.. then that will be a pain in the butt for me since my first wife is in Prison now and if I remember another often seen VN VJer has an ex in the pokey... I dont see how they could hold that against us...they are the F-ups and thats why we are not with them... did your first wife come over as a K-1? or was she a USC?

She was a USC. We have been divorced since 2006, and I did not even meet Binh until 2008. I know they cant seem to understand things. I think the minimum requirements to be a co in HCMC are

a. Must be a total mental handi cap

b. must be a total A hole

c. Must have absolutely no common sense

d. must not have a I.Q. over 2

[Anh map 2,098]

Yeah, I know it is better than a denial, but my god, if I was worried about fraud, I would not suspect a teacher that has been teaching at the same school for 6 straight years now, not to mention that I have been with my same company since 2001. I think the Co did not like the fact that my ex wife was in prison. Binh said she saw a pink slip during the interview but when they asked about my ex wife his expression changed. Who knows, I just want to ge with her ffs!!!

Oh well.. then that will be a pain in the butt for me since my first wife is in Prison now and if I remember another often seen VN VJer has an ex in the pokey... I dont see how they could hold that against us...they are the F-ups and thats why we are not with them... did your first wife come over as a K-1? or was she a USC?

She was a USC. We have been divorced since 2006, and I did not even meet Binh until 2008. I know they cant seem to understand things. I think the minimum requirements to be a co in HCMC are

a. Must be a total mental handi cap

b. must be a total A hole

c. Must have absolutely no common sense

d. must not have a I.Q. over 2

You have a short timeline relationship. You made 1 trip to VN before petitioning. It raises flags. Flags bring frustration and extra work to overcome. You've submitted the requested evidence, now is the waiting while it is reviewed. Stay positive.

[NgocThuan 0]

While, it doesn't look too good for you guys. What was the reason for the first blue slip? Are you still currently in HCMC?

[BinhJerome 14]

Yeah, I know it is better than a denial, but my god, if I was worried about fraud, I would not suspect a teacher that has been teaching at the same school for 6 straight years now, not to mention that I have been with my same company since 2001. I think the Co did not like the fact that my ex wife was in prison. Binh said she saw a pink slip during the interview but when they asked about my ex wife his expression changed. Who knows, I just want to ge with her ffs!!!

Oh well.. then that will be a pain in the butt for me since my first wife is in Prison now and if I remember another often seen VN VJer has an ex in the pokey... I dont see how they could hold that against us...they are the F-ups and thats why we are not with them... did your first wife come over as a K-1? or was she a USC?

She was a USC. We have been divorced since 2006, and I did not even meet Binh until 2008. I know they cant seem to understand things. I think the minimum requirements to be a co in HCMC are

a. Must be a total mental handi cap

b. must be a total A hole

c. Must have absolutely no common sense

d. must not have a I.Q. over 2

You have a short timeline relationship. You made 1 trip to VN before petitioning. It raises flags. Flags bring frustration and extra work to overcome. You've submitted the requested evidence, now is the waiting while it is reviewed. Stay positive.

I had chatted with people with lots of trips when I was at the Consulate but they still got blue(s). I do not really understand. Binh.

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

Yeah, I know it is better than a denial, but my god, if I was worried about fraud, I would not suspect a teacher that has been teaching at the same school for 6 straight years now, not to mention that I have been with my same company since 2001. I think the Co did not like the fact that my ex wife was in prison. Binh said she saw a pink slip during the interview but when they asked about my ex wife his expression changed. Who knows, I just want to ge with her ffs!!!

Oh well.. then that will be a pain in the butt for me since my first wife is in Prison now and if I remember another often seen VN VJer has an ex in the pokey... I dont see how they could hold that against us...they are the F-ups and thats why we are not with them... did your first wife come over as a K-1? or was she a USC?

I think that other VJ'er was me. My ex is in the can for probation violation (failing to report) on drug charges. She'll probably get out by the time Phuong has her interview. I actually hope not, since I can provide proof of her residence as long as she's in prison. How do you prove the residence of an addict who disappears for weeks at a time?

I don't think it matters what your fiance/spouse does for a living in VN. The odds of a school teacher being a fraud are probably just as high as anyone else.

I'm also beginning to wonder if HCM doesn't work on a quota system. For example, maybe they assume that 90% of applications are fraudulent, so they are determined to shoot down 90% with the hope that most of the ones they deny were frauds and most of the ones they approved were legitimate. I can't find any other way to explain why someone with a relatively weak case would get approved one month, while someone with a much stronger case would get denied the following month. If your case happens to come through the consulate in a month with a high proportion of strong cases, then your chances of getting denied just went up significantly. In other words, your chances might be dependent on the strength of your case relative to the strength of the other cases being processed at the same time, and not necessarily on it's strength when viewed independently. If this is true then it doesn't change the tactics we have to use to help our SO's get approved, but it does mean that there is no predefined threshold we have to reach in order to get approved because that threshold would constantly be changing.

I think the prudent course is to never assume you've addressed your red flags enough, never assume you've provided enough evidence, and always assume that a denial awaits at the next step in the process and plan for your next move.

[BinhJerome 14]

Yeah, I know it is better than a denial, but my god, if I was worried about fraud, I would not suspect a teacher that has been teaching at the same school for 6 straight years now, not to mention that I have been with my same company since 2001. I think the Co did not like the fact that my ex wife was in prison. Binh said she saw a pink slip during the interview but when they asked about my ex wife his expression changed. Who knows, I just want to ge with her ffs!!!

Oh well.. then that will be a pain in the butt for me since my first wife is in Prison now and if I remember another often seen VN VJer has an ex in the pokey... I dont see how they could hold that against us...they are the F-ups and thats why we are not with them... did your first wife come over as a K-1? or was she a USC?

She was a USC. We have been divorced since 2006, and I did not even meet Binh until 2008. I know they cant seem to understand things. I think the minimum requirements to be a co in HCMC are

a. Must be a total mental handi cap

b. must be a total A hole

c. Must have absolutely no common sense

d. must not have a I.Q. over 2

You have a short timeline relationship. You made 1 trip to VN before petitioning. It raises flags. Flags bring frustration and extra work to overcome. You've submitted the requested evidence, now is the waiting while it is reviewed. Stay positive.

I went to Vietnam once before the Interview, but I did go back before the submission date. The reason I could not go back was work related. I did submit a email from work saying that I could not use my vacation any time soon. But I have had 2 trips there. I understand their worries about one person having one trip, but as I have said in the past not everyone is independently wealthy. I have a job that pays 45k and with the current economy it is hard to find such a job and without a job, you will not get the visa. So one trip is what most people can get. When I went back I did risk my job, but I told them that she needed me and she was what is important. I am still feeling the back lash from that trip, but it was worth it to be in her arms for another week. Here is out second blue slip

[NgocThuan 0]

Don't understand the blueslip. It didn't state any specifics. Just generalizations that either you didn't have enough evidence or supporting documents. How do they expect you to remedy it? Are you able to talk directly with the Consulate Chief; perhaps via telephone, since you can't come to Vietnam? If not, perhaps consider an attorney, just in case they decide to send it back to USCIS.

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

Don't understand the blueslip. It didn't state any specifics. Just generalizations that either you didn't have enough evidence or supporting documents. How do they expect you to remedy it? Are you able to talk directly with the Consulate Chief; perhaps via telephone, since you can't come to Vietnam? If not, perhaps consider an attorney, just in case they decide to send it back to USCIS.

It's a generic AP blue slip. They're not asking for any additional evidence or documents, and they don't expect him to address it. The blue slip basically just says they need additional time to process it. As Scott says, probably going to the fraud detection unit.