blue slip at hcmc over time line

[caochi 0]

Hello all,

I have been reading countless tails of people at HCMC getting a blue slip requesting either a Chronological Time Line, Proof of ex wife for Sponsor, and List of relatives living in the country of the sponsor. This is a trend that we need to band together to stop. I feel that if everyone that gets a blue slip for one or more of these reasons should contact their us congressman or their senator. I also feel we should all complain to the us consulate as well. When we complain we should all mention the benefit to the system if they were to simply tell us to provide this information. It would A. speed up the process, less blue slips=more interviews B. Less paperwork=less expense and C. Less people wanting to kill the Co's If enough of us complain about this maybe they will do something. There are thousands of people that do not use Visa Journey, and they have no idea that these things need to be sent in. I was one of those many people. I also know that many of you might be scared of reprisals from the co, so I would not do anything until after your partner is with you. Lets all band together and help get the pink's rolling again!!! Stop the crying and start the celebrating

I agreed with you in this point. However, we should have right drection to move on. In the other hand, it might be difficult for next persons who have to endure the bad results. We asking ourselves that we should have a leader in this matter.

[BinhJerome 14]

Enough about the fraud. This is a post for us to band together and get the rules changed so that they will tell us things we need. If 1000 people this year complain to the USCIS about the fact that the Co in HCMC wants a time line and each of us complain that in the I 129f or the Cr1 that they do not say they require this and if in Packet's 3 & 4 they do not require this that maybe they will start adding this to the list of required documents. With this post I am not combating Visa fraud, I am trying to stop having women and men go home from a interview crying and pissed off because some Co now wants something he/she was never told to get and that if he/she were told that it was needed they would have had it in time for the interview. This affects many people when we get a blue slip. Us in particular had started to plan our wedding, one of the questions the Co had asked my fiancée was when we were planning to get married. Well to make a long story short we got a blue and we were planning on getting married within 30 days of her arrival not waiting until the last minute. Also what about the countless people that do not use Visa Journey??? They have absolutely no clue about this time line that they "REQUIRE" they also have no clue about the proof of residence for the fiancée, or the proof of the petitioners ex wife residence. All 3 of these things get a blue on to regular of a basis. We really only have 3 options people, one is to take it up the rear and deal with it, 2 is to complain and try to get the system changed, or 3 is to just post on this site and hope that people will read, and believe what we say. I have problems with 2 of the 3 options. Most people have already filed the visa application long before they come to Visa Journey, Many people never even know about this website, some people read what they say we need to do "and like me are stubborn" and say to themselves " If they needed a time line or proof of residence surely they would have required it" . And I am not about taking it up the rear. My butt says "EXIT ONLY" so I have a real problem just sitting down and taking it. Please all lets stay on subject. I understand people are in fear of repercussions, so wait until you get the pink before you complain. Maybe as one poster had said we can get some sort of checks and balances at the us consulate, but the ONLY WAY THAT WILL EVER happen is if we stick together and all start to complain. Please feel free to throw your two cents in as this is a topic and I am really interested in any other opinions about helping this travesty get changed. COME ON PEOPLE LETS GET TE PINKS ROLLING THROUGH HCMC AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's easy enough to say let's try to combat this while not talking about fraud, but fraud is the reason the consulate in HCM does these things. The two topics are inseparable.

You want the consulate to give you a bullet list of precisely what you need to give them in order to virtually guarantee that you'll get pink. First, I don't think it's possible to produce such a list. Each case is radically different. The CO has to look at the evidence they have and make a judgment call. Two different couples could produce the exact same list of items, and one could look like Romeo and Juliet, and the other could smell like a fish market in Saigon on a hot summer day. Should the CO issue the visa to both couples because both submitted everything on the checklist?

Second, if it WAS possible to produce a list of everything which may be required, like you suggest, then that list would also tell the fraudsters exactly what THEY need to produce in order to get a guaranteed pink. I don't believe there's anything you could do or produce to convince a CO that you have a legitimate relationship that a fraudster would not also be willing and able to do or produce, including getting married in VN and/or getting pregnant. Fraudsters want the visa just as badly as legitimate couples, but for completely different reasons.

Some things have become apparent about how the visa unit in HCM operates.

It's obvious that they pre-screen the package before the interview, and make a preliminary decision based on that pre-screening. Maybe they do this because it's the most efficient way to process the number of visa interviews they have to process in a day. Maybe they do it because they've found they can often sniff out fraud cases without seeing the box full of evidence the beneficiary brings to the interview, and pre-screening helps them determine if it's going to be an easy interview or a lengthy interrogation. For us who are helping our SO's get through HCM, it doesn't matter why they do it this way. However, it does tell us that the documents they see before the interview better tell a convincing story or it won't matter how many cartons of pictures and chat logs are brought to the interview.

They also frequently ask for the timeline, and the request usually says that they don't believe the relationship is legitimate. Obviously, they've determined that the timeline is a useful tool for weeding out fraud cases. Why is this? I don't know. Maybe there are things they see in the timeline of a legitimate relationship that a timeline from a fraudster wouldn't have. Maybe a timeline for a legitimate relationship reads like a "love story', and a timeline from a fraudster reads like a business agenda.

From my perspective, the consulate has devised tools to help identify fraud within the constraints of the current immigration laws. Given those constraints, they've found those tools to be effective at reducing visa fraud. I don't think any effort to get them to change their methods or policies is going to be effective, especially if they have evidence that the tools they are using are working. I DO think it's possible to change the immigration laws to dramatically reduce fraud, and lift the burden from the consulates in identifying fraudulent cases, but that's a completely different subject. In the meantime, I think you're stuck with having to play the game the way the consulate wants you to play it.

I do think it would be useful to try to determine what it is they see in a timeline that is successful at getting a pink slip that they didn't see in the original package of documents they reviewed during the pre-screening, and find a way to get that information in the original package to begin with.

Maybe I am missing your point, but my point is that if they want something specific on a regular basis from people then they should let us know. Even with the timeline if they feel there is fraud involved they will give the denial. I just see a pattern that everyone looking can see. They ask people for the same thing each and every time. I would rather they just say "Look I need more time" than to tell you I need this and this and this, sorry that we did not tell you this 3 months ago. Also if they have all the possible info it will not make it easier for fraud. I totally miss how you say it can make it easier. IT would still look like a business deal even if they knew about it. You can not fake true love. And it is not fair for all of us that do have true love to have to wait longer. If they need more time then they should make the interviews take longer. I would not have minded one bit if our first interview would be today. I actually would have rather it been for today if they would have told us what we needed. I am sure some if not most of the people that got blue would feel the same way I do. It is better to wait or to have them just tell you they need more time than to lie and make you think today is the day.

Jerome

[luckytxn 2,264]

Enough about the fraud. This is a post for us to band together and get the rules changed so that they will tell us things we need. If 1000 people this year complain to the USCIS about the fact that the Co in HCMC wants a time line and each of us complain that in the I 129f or the Cr1 that they do not say they require this and if in Packet's 3 & 4 they do not require this that maybe they will start adding this to the list of required documents. With this post I am not combating Visa fraud, I am trying to stop having women and men go home from a interview crying and pissed off because some Co now wants something he/she was never told to get and that if he/she were told that it was needed they would have had it in time for the interview. This affects many people when we get a blue slip. Us in particular had started to plan our wedding, one of the questions the Co had asked my fiancée was when we were planning to get married. Well to make a long story short we got a blue and we were planning on getting married within 30 days of her arrival not waiting until the last minute. Also what about the countless people that do not use Visa Journey??? They have absolutely no clue about this time line that they "REQUIRE" they also have no clue about the proof of residence for the fiancée, or the proof of the petitioners ex wife residence. All 3 of these things get a blue on to regular of a basis. We really only have 3 options people, one is to take it up the rear and deal with it, 2 is to complain and try to get the system changed, or 3 is to just post on this site and hope that people will read, and believe what we say. I have problems with 2 of the 3 options. Most people have already filed the visa application long before they come to Visa Journey, Many people never even know about this website, some people read what they say we need to do "and like me are stubborn" and say to themselves " If they needed a time line or proof of residence surely they would have required it" . And I am not about taking it up the rear. My butt says "EXIT ONLY" so I have a real problem just sitting down and taking it. Please all lets stay on subject. I understand people are in fear of repercussions, so wait until you get the pink before you complain. Maybe as one poster had said we can get some sort of checks and balances at the us consulate, but the ONLY WAY THAT WILL EVER happen is if we stick together and all start to complain. Please feel free to throw your two cents in as this is a topic and I am really interested in any other opinions about helping this travesty get changed. COME ON PEOPLE LETS GET TE PINKS ROLLING THROUGH HCMC AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's easy enough to say let's try to combat this while not talking about fraud, but fraud is the reason the consulate in HCM does these things. The two topics are inseparable.

You want the consulate to give you a bullet list of precisely what you need to give them in order to virtually guarantee that you'll get pink. First, I don't think it's possible to produce such a list. Each case is radically different. The CO has to look at the evidence they have and make a judgment call. Two different couples could produce the exact same list of items, and one could look like Romeo and Juliet, and the other could smell like a fish market in Saigon on a hot summer day. Should the CO issue the visa to both couples because both submitted everything on the checklist?

Second, if it WAS possible to produce a list of everything which may be required, like you suggest, then that list would also tell the fraudsters exactly what THEY need to produce in order to get a guaranteed pink. I don't believe there's anything you could do or produce to convince a CO that you have a legitimate relationship that a fraudster would not also be willing and able to do or produce, including getting married in VN and/or getting pregnant. Fraudsters want the visa just as badly as legitimate couples, but for completely different reasons.

Some things have become apparent about how the visa unit in HCM operates.

It's obvious that they pre-screen the package before the interview, and make a preliminary decision based on that pre-screening. Maybe they do this because it's the most efficient way to process the number of visa interviews they have to process in a day. Maybe they do it because they've found they can often sniff out fraud cases without seeing the box full of evidence the beneficiary brings to the interview, and pre-screening helps them determine if it's going to be an easy interview or a lengthy interrogation. For us who are helping our SO's get through HCM, it doesn't matter why they do it this way. However, it does tell us that the documents they see before the interview better tell a convincing story or it won't matter how many cartons of pictures and chat logs are brought to the interview.

They also frequently ask for the timeline, and the request usually says that they don't believe the relationship is legitimate. Obviously, they've determined that the timeline is a useful tool for weeding out fraud cases. Why is this? I don't know. Maybe there are things they see in the timeline of a legitimate relationship that a timeline from a fraudster wouldn't have. Maybe a timeline for a legitimate relationship reads like a "love story', and a timeline from a fraudster reads like a business agenda.

From my perspective, the consulate has devised tools to help identify fraud within the constraints of the current immigration laws. Given those constraints, they've found those tools to be effective at reducing visa fraud. I don't think any effort to get them to change their methods or policies is going to be effective, especially if they have evidence that the tools they are using are working. I DO think it's possible to change the immigration laws to dramatically reduce fraud, and lift the burden from the consulates in identifying fraudulent cases, but that's a completely different subject. In the meantime, I think you're stuck with having to play the game the way the consulate wants you to play it.

I do think it would be useful to try to determine what it is they see in a timeline that is successful at getting a pink slip that they didn't see in the original package of documents they reviewed during the pre-screening, and find a way to get that information in the original package to begin with.

Maybe I am missing your point, but my point is that if they want something specific on a regular basis from people then they should let us know. Even with the timeline if they feel there is fraud involved they will give the denial. I just see a pattern that everyone looking can see. They ask people for the same thing each and every time. I would rather they just say "Look I need more time" than to tell you I need this and this and this, sorry that we did not tell you this 3 months ago. Also if they have all the possible info it will not make it easier for fraud. I totally miss how you say it can make it easier. IT would still look like a business deal even if they knew about it. You can not fake true love. And it is not fair for all of us that do have true love to have to wait longer. If they need more time then they should make the interviews take longer. I would not have minded one bit if our first interview would be today. I actually would have rather it been for today if they would have told us what we needed. I am sure some if not most of the people that got blue would feel the same way I do. It is better to wait or to have them just tell you they need more time than to lie and make you think today is the day.

Jerome

Yes one can appear to fake true love. How are they know that it is true love that is being expressed and not fraud? Is an aura supposed to pop out and surround all paperwork that tells them this is true love? All this paperwork and timelines and expressions of love are just words when you get down to it. They know jack squat about you and your relationship. All they got is paperwork and words written down to go by. Let me tell you something they do know for sure. They know that a good percentage of their cases are going to be frauds out of this consulate. That is a true fact. They have guidelines that they follow to try to weed out the frauds and they stick to it and then after it is all over and done with they have to use their gut instinct to try to hope they make the best decision. I don't envy them at times their position. I happen to think most if not all of the CO's are good and honorable people and not evil. They do not like to keep love ones apart. It is the fraudsters that should be blamed for this. It is plain greed and dishonesty that places undue burdens on all of us that are for real.

Like anyone can't write a story that says I found my love with this person and it was at this specific time my love became true and also the best one yet when someone says they can't live without so and so. Well whoopee doo. Like someone that is committing fraud can't say the same things.

They do know there are patterns and other things they look for and at to try to determine fraud. Luckily for us here at VJ we have each other and the help we all receive has been the reason I have my babe here with me. I would have had her with me without VJ but I would have been blind and/or paying a lawyer thousands to get her her. As each person goes through they tell us things and on and on and with this support we are able to make many informed decisions. I knew my red flags and knew that I would get a blue slip for something and also knew what to do to get the pink once I knew what the blue slip would say. I also came on here and posted what happened at the consulate and what the blue slip said. I posted her interview and who it was that interviewed her. I said what I did to get her the pink and even afterwards posted my timeline. This was to help many after me to get their loved ones here. And you know it feels good to help others as the ones before me had helped me. The only thing that sucked about doing it was that the few fraudsters here maybe used my info to help them get their pink, if they got a pink. I hope the consulate catches every fraud going through but doubt it.

Every hoop I had to jump through to get my babe here was worth it. She is an awesome babe and I thank God daily for allowing me to find happiness again after I had given up all hope of finding it again.

[ScottThuy 140]

I found this one liner at the state dept site.. The consular officer may ask for additional information according to the circumstances of the case.DOS Site

This is thier way to be able to ask for timeline and anything else they want

[johncali9 6]

Hello all,

I have been reading countless tails of people at HCMC getting a blue slip requesting either a Chronological Time Line, Proof of ex wife for Sponsor, and List of relatives living in the country of the sponsor. This is a trend that we need to band together to stop. I feel that if everyone that gets a blue slip for one or more of these reasons should contact their us congressman or their senator. I also feel we should all complain to the us consulate as well. When we complain we should all mention the benefit to the system if they were to simply tell us to provide this information. It would A. speed up the process, less blue slips=more interviews B. Less paperwork=less expense and C. Less people wanting to kill the Co's If enough of us complain about this maybe they will do something. There are thousands of people that do not use Visa Journey, and they have no idea that these things need to be sent in. I was one of those many people. I also know that many of you might be scared of reprisals from the co, so I would not do anything until after your partner is with you. Lets all band together and help get the pink's rolling again!!! Stop the crying and start the celebrating

I agreed with you in this point. However, we should have right drection to move on. In the other hand, it might be difficult for next persons who have to endure the bad results. We asking ourselves that we should have a leader in this matter.

Hello cao chi

long time no see ,how your case going men ,your wife got pink yet

Johncali9

[NQT1976 1]

those CO is really such, they just deny with whatever reason they find.

for those who got blue slip, 99% will got denial blue slips, and the case will be send back to uscis.

what is the best thing we can do ?

I guess we can find a lawyer and sue them for their stupidity( let the fake pass and the real fail)

fukkk all CO

[luckytxn 2,264]

Wow all us that have our babes here are fakes now. I got a blue then pink like many before and since. Makes me wonder why you get a big old fail. Maybe they saw something that looked like FRAUD.

[BinhJerome 14]

I have been told before that this is a public forum, and anyone can read it. I know there is anger and resentment toward what we call stupidity. I am sure there are many that do get a denial when their relationship is true, and there are the ones that get pink that are fraudulent. I have heard countless stories of the woman/man getting their us citizenship them leaving the next day. I feel that if the man was to blind to see it coming, let her go man. If for one instant I suspect that is what is going on, she better explain it to me because if it is true, back she goes. I know my fiancée is true. That is now what I was meaning by my statement. Most people want to have everything drawn out like a map. With this post I have started to realize that life just sucks, and life is far from fare. I do think that the sponsors need to submit more information, and I wish that we could have more of a part in/during the interview. I feel that if they could talk to both of us either by phone or in person with separate Co's this would help cut down on the fraud cases. Then you have to worry about if your stories do not match up. I know that is what someone is going to say. It can and will happen. I know people that are married 30 plus years if you separate them they will say different things to the same question. But with a "Dual" interview at least they would have more to go by, and we could see how our Fiancé's feel. I know that true love will always win in the end. As I have said countless times. In America or Vietnam, I truly don't care, I just know we WILL be together because our love IS TRUE.