I think my I-751 application was returned... :-(

[csoul 0]

Hello guys,

Today I received in the mail a Notice from USPS trying to deliver a large envelope. I am not expecting anything from anybody except from USCIS.

Two more tips why I think is the I-751 returned:

1) The USPS notice show my second last name that I NEVER use in US since is very confusing to everybody to understand that in my country we have 2 last names so I only use one except for any process with USCIS or Social Security but not even with the banks...

2) The USPS notice show that is a "Large envelope" so if is a NOA should come in a letter envelope or something small not in a "Large envelope" I think.

I am a little bit worried because I double check everything before send the package: Dates, signatures, check (, name in pay to the order of OK, amount OK and with 00/100). My GC expires in 08/20 and they received the package on 08/21 so that is OK too!

Obviously I will go to the post office as soon as they open tomorrow morning! I hope will be something else but I am pretty sure is USCIS related...

I will let you know guys tomorrow morning.

[flutter95 4]

hope its not what you think!

[Killer_Clown_2009 0]

Well that is really too bad. But the bright side would be that because you filed so early, you have plenty of time to refile if you need too. But still I know it would a disappointment. MY AOS application was returned and it wasn't a nice feeling.

[csoul 0]

Well that is really too bad. But the bright side would be that because you filed so early, you have plenty of time to refile if you need too. But still I know it would a disappointment. MY AOS application was returned and it wasn't a nice feeling.

Thank you for your answers,

Jane why your AOS application was returned? Is not logical that my application was returned because I filed so early even more because the reminder letter to remove condition from USCIS show that I can remove condition from 05/20 and they received my package on 05/21.

But tonight I not going to sleep thinking what is that "large envelope" waiting in the Port Office!!!!!

[Killer_Clown_2009 0]

Ok, I think I see what may have happened. You need to file in that 90 day window. So if your green card expires on August 20, the earliest that you can file would be May 22nd ( I think that's 90 days, prior to August 20th, because both May and July have 31 days in them). It looks like they recieved it on May 21st. I know it is only one day, but I have heard of other people having this happen to them. Maybe they put the wrong date on the letter that they sent (wouldn't surprise me). Do you think maybe that's what happened? My AOS was returned, because I filed a fee waiver with it, which they decided to deny (this after stamping all over the application and basically tearing it apart and reorginising it). They even sent back my original envelope and all my clips.

Edited May 27, 2009 by jane2009

[csoul 0]

Ok, I think I see what may have happened. You need to file in that 90 day window. So if your green card expires on August 20, the earliest that you can file would be May 22nd ( I think that's 90 days, prior to August 20th, because both May and July have 31 days in them). It looks like they recieved it on May 21st. I know it is only one day, but I have heard of other people having this happen to them. Maybe they put the wrong date on the letter that they sent (wouldn't surprise me). Do you think maybe that's what happened? My AOS was returned, because I filed a fee waiver with it, which they decided to deny (this after stamping all over the application and basically tearing it apart and reorginising it). They even sent back my original envelope and all my clips.

If they return the whole package for that reason then their own system is not working properly because as I wrote, the first date to start my I-751 process is shown in the USCIS reminder letter and also I used a website that count the days "to any other date" and May 21 was Ok in hours and minutes to be in the 90 days window counting to the end of 05/20 (expiration date of my GC).

I will try to drink a tea or something to see if I can sleep

[Killer_Clown_2009 0]

Maybe this will help you sleep. This person mailed theirs on the day that USCIS told them too and it was returned as well: http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...;hl=FILING+LATE

[csoul 0]

Maybe this will help you sleep. This person mailed theirs on the day that USCIS told them too and it was returned as well: http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...;hl=FILING+LATE

Thank you again Jane for that information, looks like USCIS is precise just when they want...

I will post tomorrow morning with the result of what I found in the Post Office.

[motu 5]

Or - it could be because you used an expired form (Happened to me) or didn't send the right amount of check or failed to mark the correct box (happened to a friend of mine) or any of other hundreds of reasons. Check the packet and you will know why it was sent back - no need to worry about the 'unknown'. Good Luck

[csoul 0]

Ok guys I am back from the post office... I was right :-( My application was returned for the absurd reason that was filed too early... And is ABSURD because the letter explaing why my application was returned said that I need to re-send the I-751 AFTER 05/20 and They received my application on 05/21!!! There is stamps all over the pages with that date so I am pretty sure that the officer didn't want to work that day and the easy way to avoid an application is to return it...

Even more is crazy for the money lost (they paid $9.65 to return my package, plus what I paid in first place and what I paid today).

Anyway... I ate my frustation but I was prepared going to the post office with a new cover letter and a new check (both with updated dates) so I did a quick check of all the documents in the package to see if they remove something, replaced the cover letter and the check and re-send the whole package again hoping this time the officer that receive my package is in good mood and start my application promptly...

[Bobby+Umit 161]

Ok guys I am back from the post office... I was right :-( My application was returned for the absurd reason that was filed too early... And is ABSURD because the letter explaing why my application was returned said that I need to re-send the I-751 AFTER 05/20 and They received my application on 05/21!!! There is stamps all over the pages with that date so I am pretty sure that the officer didn't want to work that day and the easy way to avoid an application is to return it...

Even more is crazy for the money lost (they paid $9.65 to return my package, plus what I paid in first place and what I paid today).

Anyway... I ate my frustation but I was prepared going to the post office with a new cover letter and a new check (both with updated dates) so I did a quick check of all the documents in the package to see if they remove something, replaced the cover letter and the check and re-send the whole package again hoping this time the officer that receive my package is in good mood and start my application promptly...

That is to bad - but you know they get "points" for processing applications on time, so I don't think they would send it back for grins, so even though they received on the 21st, you sent it in to early. (I suppose they went by the date it was stamped by the USPS)

They must be real sticklers for the 90 day rule.

[jasminelily 1]

Ok guys I am back from the post office... I was right :-( My application was returned for the absurd reason that was filed too early... And is ABSURD because the letter explaing why my application was returned said that I need to re-send the I-751 AFTER 05/20 and They received my application on 05/21!!! There is stamps all over the pages with that date so I am pretty sure that the officer didn't want to work that day and the easy way to avoid an application is to return it...

Even more is crazy for the money lost (they paid $9.65 to return my package, plus what I paid in first place and what I paid today).

Anyway... I ate my frustation but I was prepared going to the post office with a new cover letter and a new check (both with updated dates) so I did a quick check of all the documents in the package to see if they remove something, replaced the cover letter and the check and re-send the whole package again hoping this time the officer that receive my package is in good mood and start my application promptly...

Ok. On your previous post, you said your GC expires 8/20/09. So if you count back 90 days on the calender, the earliest possible receipt date for them to accept your petition is 5/23/09. 20 days in August, 31 days in July, 30 days in June, count back 9 more days in May (31, 30, 29, 28, 27, 26, 25, 24, 23), that's how I get when your 90 days window started. I understand your frustration, I'm not saying they're entirely correct either because they told you to send after 5/20/09, but the correct date is supposed to be 5/23/09, so I understand your frustration and hope they'll accept your package with no problem this time. Good Luck!

[TayRivers 4]

Ok guys I am back from the post office... I was right :-( My application was returned for the absurd reason that was filed too early... And is ABSURD because the letter explaing why my application was returned said that I need to re-send the I-751 AFTER 05/20 and They received my application on 05/21!!! There is stamps all over the pages with that date so I am pretty sure that the officer didn't want to work that day and the easy way to avoid an application is to return it...

Even more is crazy for the money lost (they paid $9.65 to return my package, plus what I paid in first place and what I paid today).

Anyway... I ate my frustation but I was prepared going to the post office with a new cover letter and a new check (both with updated dates) so I did a quick check of all the documents in the package to see if they remove something, replaced the cover letter and the check and re-send the whole package again hoping this time the officer that receive my package is in good mood and start my application promptly...

That is to bad - but you know they get "points" for processing applications on time, so I don't think they would send it back for grins, so even though they received on the 21st, you sent it in to early. (I suppose they went by the date it was stamped by the USPS)

They must be real sticklers for the 90 day rule.

They take the date it was mailed not the date they received it. Same goes for when they increase the fees if the date it was mailed is before the date the fee goes up then you pay the old fee.

Most people mail it 2 -3 days after the 90 day window opens so that it wont get rejected for being to early.

[csoul 0]

Ok. On your previous post, you said your GC expires 8/20/09. So if you count back 90 days on the calender, the earliest possible receipt date for them to accept your petition is 5/23/09. 20 days in August, 31 days in July, 30 days in June, count back 9 more days in May (31, 30, 29, 28, 27, 26, 25, 24, 23), that's how I get when your 90 days window started. I understand your frustration, I'm not saying they're entirely correct either because they told you to send after 5/20/09, but the correct date is supposed to be 5/23/09, so I understand your frustration and hope they'll accept your package with no problem this time. Good Luck!

Yeah now that I calculate in your way I think you are right and more if what TayRivers wrote is correct that they use the date it was mailed, this is a very important tip to use for the future filers.

The other thing that I was going to comment is that looks like my package was just going to be processed when they realize the date because even the check had a Stamp in the back of the Bank of America "to only deposit this check in the account..." And the first page of the I-751 form had a red stamp with some numbers and letters. Also they put the acco fasteners in the whole package with a hard piece of "cardboard" in the back to hold everything. I left everything that way. I think I will save some time to the new officer that receive my package and is the way they like.

I am also 1000000% sure that they received other applications in the same situation (like me) with no problem but they was very very very strict with the 90 day rule in my case. Bad luck for me this time.

I hope everything will be smoth now with my case and with those waiting for a positive result on their cases.

[jasminelily 1]

Ok. On your previous post, you said your GC expires 8/20/09. So if you count back 90 days on the calender, the earliest possible receipt date for them to accept your petition is 5/23/09. 20 days in August, 31 days in July, 30 days in June, count back 9 more days in May (31, 30, 29, 28, 27, 26, 25, 24, 23), that's how I get when your 90 days window started. I understand your frustration, I'm not saying they're entirely correct either because they told you to send after 5/20/09, but the correct date is supposed to be 5/23/09, so I understand your frustration and hope they'll accept your package with no problem this time. Good Luck!

Yeah now that I calculate in your way I think you are right and more if what TayRivers wrote is correct that they use the date it was mailed, this is a very important tip to use for the future filers.

The other thing that I was going to comment is that looks like my package was just going to be processed when they realize the date because even the check had a Stamp in the back of the Bank of America "to only deposit this check in the account..." And the first page of the I-751 form had a red stamp with some numbers and letters. Also they put the acco fasteners in the whole package with a hard piece of "cardboard" in the back to hold everything. I left everything that way. I think I will save some time to the new officer that receive my package and is the way they like.

I am also 1000000% sure that they received other applications in the same situation (like me) with no problem but they was very very very strict with the 90 day rule in my case. Bad luck for me this time.

I hope everything will be smoth now with my case and with those waiting for a positive result on their cases.

I think they would count the date that they open the package. It's what I think by logic, might not be true, but here is another jasminelily's alien theory. According to my case, I mailed USPS express mail on 1/28/09, USPS tracking said the package arrived there 1/29/09, but my receipt date is on 1/30/09. I would think that they process lots of packages in a day, and sometimes if the packages arrive in the afternoon, they won't be able to process them on the same date, so they wait till the next day. So I would say sometimes if they work a little slowly, it might be your luck if you mis-calculated and it arrived a day early and if they're too busy to open your package, and they wait till the next day, then boom! you met the requirement, you're not a day too early anymore. So I think they count by receipt date (the date that they open and process your package). It's just a theory.