Message from ScottishHighlands

[john_and_marlene 162]

I would agree that it certainly shows a weak position in any debate if you attack the person rather than their position on the topic.

Well, I think what I was doing in starting this thread was to post the evidence (for the rest of the community to ultimately decide) that tends to demonstrate ScottishHighlands was in fact posting "messages designed intentionally to annoy and antagonize the existing members." He so much as admitted it in the post that I cut and pasted.

I just don't think I've done that, I'm sorry. I have consistently provided truthful information with references for verification. I admit, it's a controversial topic, but nothing I've posted had the intended purpose of annoying or antagonizing existing members. That's the difference.

If I'm wrong about this, then I would appreciate someone explaining to me what line I crossed and where. Thanks.

I think this thread was antagonistic. If you had a problem with them then report them and let the moderator decide.

[Imbra2005 0]

Next time, that's what I'll do then. Sorry for the misstep.

[seldi 1]

Why are some people turning this IMBRA bs into such a big deal? It isn't, yes it sucks, but I'm over it, are you? Or do you have something to hide?

[ScottishHighlands 0]

[nothing I've posted had the intended purpose of annoying or antagonizing existing members. That's the difference.]

The difference between you and me is that you are a lobbyist (activist) on this forum to make sure everyone agrees with IMBRA. You do not have a fiance or foreign boyfriend. I do have a Russian girlfriend whom I am going to want into the USA soon. I have no intention of annoying or antagonizing anyone, nor do I belong to a special interest lobbying group.

It is obvious that few people are aware, painfully or otherwise, just how much the fight against IMBRA is going to affect all of us who want to marry foreigners.

That certainly doesn't mean I would post every day.

But to suggest that this forum MUST be a forum where everyone complains about the DELAY instead of the law itself (and pro-IMBRA) lobbyists like IMBRA2005...is a bit strange.

Maybe if IMBRA2005 stopped her lobbying here...it would just be a run of the mill site where people would post only on the technicalities of the visa process.

[GaryC 7]

I think this thread was antagonistic. If you had a problem with them then report them and let the moderator decide.

That has been done.

[john_and_marlene 162]

Why are some people turning this IMBRA bs into such a big deal? It isn't, yes it sucks, but I'm over it, are you? Or do you have something to hide?

Often (and I think it applies here) there are larger issues. Many see this not simply as a roadblock in their application which might cause some bit of extra time or effort, but as a slight to bigger issues of privacy or erroding of rights that could easily lead to other aspects of established rights and freedoms.

I personally agree with protecting people against violence, but I don't really care for this implementation and I don't think it will change much.

[ScottishHighlands 0]

[Next time, that's what I'll do then. Sorry for the misstep.]

Oh, that is rich. A lobbyist from the organization that wrote the IMBRA law...complaining to the moderator of an immigration site that people who want their fiances to come to the USA shouldn't come on the forum who disagree with her...when she seems to constantly cheer for IMBRA on the forum herself.

[Imbra2005 0]

For the last time, I am neither a lobbyist nor activist and nobody (individual or group) is paying me or asked me to post here.

[ScottishHighlands 0]

IMBRA2005,

1) Why do you have no information posted about any fiance or foreign significant other?

2) Why do you come on an immigration forum calling yourself the name of the law that is screwing up the lives of everyone else on this forum?

[Imbra2005 0]

(1) Because I choose not to share personal information about myself on the internet.

(2) Because I had a hard time coming up with a name when I decided to post for the first time about 5 weeks ago, and that was the topic being discussed. Again, I don't like to share personal information about myself.

[GaryC 7]

IMBRA2005, just stop arguing with this looser. He will be gone soon I think. Attacks from other forums is not cool and they are not worth our time. Just ignore them.

[john_and_marlene 162]

(1) Because I choose not to share personal information about myself on the internet.

(2) Because I had a hard time coming up with a name when I decided to post for the first time about 5 weeks ago, and that was the topic being discussed. Again, I don't like to share personal information about myself.

If it's just a name you chose because it was being discussed that day, why have all of your posts going back to May 30 all been on this topic? You don't post on any other topic.

IMBRA2005, just stop arguing with this looser. He will be gone soon I think. Attacks from other forums is not cool and they are not worth our time. Just ignore them.

Is he a loser because you disagree with him? If he gets banned, then they both should.

[Imbra2005 0]

Okay Gary. I will stop.

John, I only post about those things that I think will be useful to others and about which I have some knowledge and understanding. I do know quite a bit about IMBRA so that's what I talk about here. I suppose if there was a forum here talking about the other things I know quite a bit about and have an interest in (e.g. sailing or medicine) I suppose I might speak up about those too.

Look, like I said, if you guys don't want me around, then fine, I'm out.

[john_and_marlene 162]

Okay Gary. I will stop.

John, I only post about those things that I think will be useful to others and about which I have some knowledge and understanding. I do know quite a bit about IMBRA so that's what I talk about here. I suppose if there was a forum here talking about the other things I know quite a bit about and have an interest in (e.g. sailing or medicine) I suppose I might speak up about those too.

Look, like I said, if you guys don't want me around, then fine, I'm out.

I just think the personal attacks are petty. I see them on so many threads. You come here because you have some point of view that you want to offer. Well guess what ... the guy you are assailing with this thread is doing EXACTLY the same thing. You tried to gather support from others with your post. He is doing EXACTLY the same thing. You are on opposite sides of the fence on this topic. Does that make you right and him wrong? Perhaps it does in your mind. He may be thinking EXACTLY the same thing. If you expect others to respect your right to voice your opinion and gather support, afford others the same cosideration.

[ScottishHighlands 0]

[Okay Gary. I will stop. John, I only post about those things that I think will be useful to others and about which I have some knowledge and understanding. I do know quite a bit about IMBRA so that's what I talk about here. I suppose if there was a forum here talking about the other things I know quite a bit about and have an interest in (e.g. sailing or medicine) I suppose I might speak up about those too.

Look, like I said, if you guys don't want me around, then fine, I'm out.]

Well, if IMBRA2005 stops lobbying for IMBRA on this forum, then I won't bother logging on to rebutt her remarks. I was just shocked earlier today when I saw her trying to lead people like sheep into reaching a "consensus" of being only upset at the "procedural delays" instead of the law itself.

But I don't believe for a second that IMBRA2005 isn't part of an organization like TJC that earns its money from donations "to protect women" and unashamedly trolls the Internet practically declaring who they are.

This "I do know quite a bit about IMBRA"...what is that supposed to mean?

Exactly how does she know more than the rest of us? The answer is that, like me, she is probably deeply involved in the lawsuit process regarding IMBRA.

I don't doubt that IMBRA2005 knows as much as I do about IMBRA.

Meanwhile, she is admitting that she has no foreign significant other.

GaryC: I want to marry and bring a Russian woman into the USA. Yes, I keep track of the lawsuits against IMBRA. Do you have more of a right to post complaints about how the lawsuits are causing you delays?

Is being against this law that caused the delays an "attack" against a forum that complains against the delays? I don't understand how anyone "attacked" this forum. Not even IMBRA2005 attacked the forum.

Did you really write a complaint to the moderator complaining about me and not IMBRA2005?

You, who are against the IMBRA law, are OK with someone whose very name is filled with agenda?

Does anyone really believe that she named herself IMBRA2005 because that was the topic on the day she registered?

Do you think it is OK to personally insult others with your opinion that "he's a loser"?

Don't some moderators ban those who personally insult others?

Apparently, your signing on awhile ago gives you non-loser status and the right to proclaim that those newbies who disagree with you are "losers."

At least JohnandMarlene gets it right: If people need to be banned for talking about IMBRA, then it should be at least IMBRA2005 and myself...because it is clear to all that she and I deeply disagree with each other and will be hearing from each other in the IMBRA lawsuits for a long time to come.

She is, however, not someone like myself who cares about this issue because I want to bring a foreigner into the USA. That makes her a lobbyist.

And then...what about the guy Dave who posted an anti-IMBRA thread? Should he be banned as well because GaryC doesn't agree with him?

And what about the 5 or 6 guys currently involved in IMBRA lawsuits who now know that this site exists?

They all want to bring someone into the country and are knowledgable about the immigration process.

Should the moderator now keep an eye out for non-Garys who want to fight IMBRA in the courts?

In the end, moderators almost always go with how they feel themselves about an issue. They seldom ban people for personally insulting others which GaryC and IMBRA2005 have just done.

I never personally insult others on a forum. I might insult the President for signing the law, but I don't insult others on a forum, period.

That is just good Internet forum policy.