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Hi everyone

as part of the packet for filing a K-3 we are to provide the following

Evidence of a Bonifide Marriage

The USCIS now requires that when filing an I-130 for a spouse that you include evidence of a bonifide marriage. They list examples of acceptable evidence as:

1. Documentation showing joint ownership or property; or

2. A lease showing joint tenancy of a common residence; or

3. Documentation showing co-mingling of financialresources; or

4. Birth certificate(s) of child(ren) born to you, thepetitioner, and your spouse together; or

5. Affidavits sworn to or affirmed by third parties havingpersonal knowledge of the bona fides of the maritalrelationship (Each affidavit must contain the full nameand address, date and place of birth of the person makingthe affidavit, his or her relationship to the petitioner ofbeneficiary, if any, and complete information and detailsexplaining how the person acquired his or herknowledge of your marriage); or

6. Any other relevant documentation to establish that thereis an ongoing marital union.

We plan to file immediately after marry, items 1 through 6 is not possible. what did others send in?

thank you

[gogo 6]

emails, chats, phone logs.. and #5 is not possible? those are from people that know about each of you and your marriage..

[youtube 0]

thank you

so just like I-129F, photos, phone logs, email, travel receipts, are enough to establish relationship. correct?

[cmnb 0]

thank you

so just like I-129F, photos, phone logs, email, travel receipts, are enough to establish relationship. correct?

just like gogo mentioned, u shud work on getting #5 as well. these affidavits will be easy for u to get from family/friends. spend a few exta days now getting these evidences rather than spending months in RFE.

[pushbrk 12,824]

Hi everyone

as part of the packet for filing a K-3 we are to provide the following

Evidence of a Bonifide Marriage

The USCIS now requires that when filing an I-130 for a spouse that you include evidence of a bonifide marriage. They list examples of acceptable evidence as:

1. Documentation showing joint ownership or property; or

2. A lease showing joint tenancy of a common residence; or

3. Documentation showing co-mingling of financialresources; or

4. Birth certificate(s) of child(ren) born to you, thepetitioner, and your spouse together; or

5. Affidavits sworn to or affirmed by third parties havingpersonal knowledge of the bona fides of the maritalrelationship (Each affidavit must contain the full nameand address, date and place of birth of the person makingthe affidavit, his or her relationship to the petitioner ofbeneficiary, if any, and complete information and detailsexplaining how the person acquired his or herknowledge of your marriage); or

6. Any other relevant documentation to establish that thereis an ongoing marital union.

We plan to file immediately after marry, items 1 through 6 is not possible. what did others send in?

thank you

Read carefully and interpret literally. You'll note a sentence with the wording "In addition to the required documents listed above...should include one or more of the following..."

Often this is misinterpreted as a requirement for all I-130 filings but for newlyweds who have never lived in the same country we haven't seen a single RFE for simply ignoring all of the 1-6 items listed above. If you want to include a few pictures or some copies of emails, go for it. Otherwise, don't sweat this stuff and definitely don't go getting sworn statements from people who came to a ceremony or a party. Unless they were in the next hotel room hearing the headboard banging, your marriage certificate covers that.

See this thread.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...c=77987&hl=

This section does apply to DCF filers, those filing I-130s in support of AOS applications from inside the US and anybody else who is actually claiming to have lived together.

Newlyweds show evidence of bona fides in interviews.

Edited September 11, 2008 by pushbrk

[applebee 0]

Hi everyone

as part of the packet for filing a K-3 we are to provide the following

Evidence of a Bonifide Marriage

The USCIS now requires that when filing an I-130 for a spouse that you include evidence of a bonifide marriage. They list examples of acceptable evidence as:

1. Documentation showing joint ownership or property; or

2. A lease showing joint tenancy of a common residence; or

3. Documentation showing co-mingling of financialresources; or

4. Birth certificate(s) of child(ren) born to you, thepetitioner, and your spouse together; or

5. Affidavits sworn to or affirmed by third parties havingpersonal knowledge of the bona fides of the maritalrelationship (Each affidavit must contain the full nameand address, date and place of birth of the person makingthe affidavit, his or her relationship to the petitioner ofbeneficiary, if any, and complete information and detailsexplaining how the person acquired his or herknowledge of your marriage); or

6. Any other relevant documentation to establish that thereis an ongoing marital union.

We plan to file immediately after marry, items 1 through 6 is not possible. what did others send in?

thank you

photos of your ceremony will do! Good luck...

[cmnb 0]

Hi everyone

as part of the packet for filing a K-3 we are to provide the following

Evidence of a Bonifide Marriage

The USCIS now requires that when filing an I-130 for a spouse that you include evidence of a bonifide marriage. They list examples of acceptable evidence as:

1. Documentation showing joint ownership or property; or

2. A lease showing joint tenancy of a common residence; or

3. Documentation showing co-mingling of financialresources; or

4. Birth certificate(s) of child(ren) born to you, thepetitioner, and your spouse together; or

5. Affidavits sworn to or affirmed by third parties havingpersonal knowledge of the bona fides of the maritalrelationship (Each affidavit must contain the full nameand address, date and place of birth of the person makingthe affidavit, his or her relationship to the petitioner ofbeneficiary, if any, and complete information and detailsexplaining how the person acquired his or herknowledge of your marriage); or

6. Any other relevant documentation to establish that thereis an ongoing marital union.

We plan to file immediately after marry, items 1 through 6 is not possible. what did others send in?

thank you

Read carefully and interpret literally. You'll note a sentence with the wording "In addition to the required documents listed above...should include one or more of the following..."

Often this is misinterpreted as a requirement for all I-130 filings but for newlyweds who have never lived in the same country we haven't seen a single RFE for simply ignoring all of the 1-6 items listed above. If you want to include a few pictures or some copies of emails, go for it. Otherwise, don't sweat this stuff and definitely don't go getting sworn statements from people who came to a ceremony or a party. Unless they were in the next hotel room hearing the headboard banging, your marriage certificate covers that.

See this thread.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...c=77987&hl=

This section does apply to DCF filers, those filing I-130s in support of AOS applications from inside the US and anybody else who is actually claiming to have lived together.

Newlyweds show evidence of bona fides in interviews.

pushbrk - hate to argue with you, but where on the I-130 instructions does it say:

"Newlyweds show evidence of bona fides in interviews."

these are your assumptions that apparently u have gathered running a poll on a seperate thread. these are assumptions not a fact!!

[pushbrk 12,824]

Hi everyone

as part of the packet for filing a K-3 we are to provide the following

Evidence of a Bonifide Marriage

The USCIS now requires that when filing an I-130 for a spouse that you include evidence of a bonifide marriage. They list examples of acceptable evidence as:

1. Documentation showing joint ownership or property; or

2. A lease showing joint tenancy of a common residence; or

3. Documentation showing co-mingling of financialresources; or

4. Birth certificate(s) of child(ren) born to you, thepetitioner, and your spouse together; or

5. Affidavits sworn to or affirmed by third parties havingpersonal knowledge of the bona fides of the maritalrelationship (Each affidavit must contain the full nameand address, date and place of birth of the person makingthe affidavit, his or her relationship to the petitioner ofbeneficiary, if any, and complete information and detailsexplaining how the person acquired his or herknowledge of your marriage); or

6. Any other relevant documentation to establish that thereis an ongoing marital union.

We plan to file immediately after marry, items 1 through 6 is not possible. what did others send in?

thank you

Read carefully and interpret literally. You'll note a sentence with the wording "In addition to the required documents listed above...should include one or more of the following..."

Often this is misinterpreted as a requirement for all I-130 filings but for newlyweds who have never lived in the same country we haven't seen a single RFE for simply ignoring all of the 1-6 items listed above. If you want to include a few pictures or some copies of emails, go for it. Otherwise, don't sweat this stuff and definitely don't go getting sworn statements from people who came to a ceremony or a party. Unless they were in the next hotel room hearing the headboard banging, your marriage certificate covers that.

See this thread.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...c=77987&hl=

This section does apply to DCF filers, those filing I-130s in support of AOS applications from inside the US and anybody else who is actually claiming to have lived together.

Newlyweds show evidence of bona fides in interviews.

pushbrk - hate to argue with you, but where on the I-130 instructions does it say:

"Newlyweds show evidence of bona fides in interviews."

these are your assumptions that apparently u have gathered running a poll on a seperate thread. these are assumptions not a fact!!

They are facts evidenced by the real life experience of newlyweds filing I-130s and having them approved without any marriage related evidence besides a marriage certificate and those same individuals being asked to show evidence of bona fides (if at all) at visa interviews and AOS interviews. CR1 and IR1 only have visa interviews.

Further, we've had two and only two reports of RFE's for failing to provide the "should include one or more..." evidence and both were DCF cases in London.

What many forget is that the I-130 is used far more in DCF and AOS from inside the USA with no visa than for actual visa cases for newlyweds. While it's true, the instructions note no exceptions for newlyweds, in practice, that is exactly what we see.

[Y's_habibitk 2]

Hi everyone

as part of the packet for filing a K-3 we are to provide the following

Evidence of a Bonifide Marriage

The USCIS now requires that when filing an I-130 for a spouse that you include evidence of a bonifide marriage. They list examples of acceptable evidence as:

1. Documentation showing joint ownership or property; or

2. A lease showing joint tenancy of a common residence; or

3. Documentation showing co-mingling of financialresources; or

4. Birth certificate(s) of child(ren) born to you, thepetitioner, and your spouse together; or

5. Affidavits sworn to or affirmed by third parties havingpersonal knowledge of the bona fides of the maritalrelationship (Each affidavit must contain the full nameand address, date and place of birth of the person makingthe affidavit, his or her relationship to the petitioner ofbeneficiary, if any, and complete information and detailsexplaining how the person acquired his or herknowledge of your marriage); or

6. Any other relevant documentation to establish that thereis an ongoing marital union.

We plan to file immediately after marry, items 1 through 6 is not possible. what did others send in?

thank you

Read carefully and interpret literally. You'll note a sentence with the wording "In addition to the required documents listed above...should include one or more of the following..."

Often this is misinterpreted as a requirement for all I-130 filings but for newlyweds who have never lived in the same country we haven't seen a single RFE for simply ignoring all of the 1-6 items listed above. If you want to include a few pictures or some copies of emails, go for it. Otherwise, don't sweat this stuff and definitely don't go getting sworn statements from people who came to a ceremony or a party. Unless they were in the next hotel room hearing the headboard banging, your marriage certificate covers that.

See this thread.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...c=77987&hl=

This section does apply to DCF filers, those filing I-130s in support of AOS applications from inside the US and anybody else who is actually claiming to have lived together.

Newlyweds show evidence of bona fides in interviews.

pushbrk - hate to argue with you, but where on the I-130 instructions does it say:

"Newlyweds show evidence of bona fides in interviews."

these are your assumptions that apparently u have gathered running a poll on a seperate thread. these are assumptions not a fact!!

They are facts evidenced by the real life experience of newlyweds filing I-130s and having them approved without any marriage related evidence besides a marriage certificate and those same individuals being asked to show evidence of bona fides (if at all) at visa interviews and AOS interviews. CR1 and IR1 only have visa interviews.

Further, we've had two and only two reports of RFE's for failing to provide the "should include one or more..." evidence and both were DCF cases in London.

What many forget is that the I-130 is used far more in DCF and AOS from inside the USA with no visa than for actual visa cases for newlyweds. While it's true, the instructions note no exceptions for newlyweds, in practice, that is exactly what we see.

Who is "we"? Do you just mean, as in the info gathered here? Or do you work in the immigration field somehow? Im just curious.. I have seen you use "we" alot.

[pushbrk 12,824]

Hi everyone

as part of the packet for filing a K-3 we are to provide the following

Evidence of a Bonifide Marriage

The USCIS now requires that when filing an I-130 for a spouse that you include evidence of a bonifide marriage. They list examples of acceptable evidence as:

1. Documentation showing joint ownership or property; or

2. A lease showing joint tenancy of a common residence; or

3. Documentation showing co-mingling of financialresources; or

4. Birth certificate(s) of child(ren) born to you, thepetitioner, and your spouse together; or

5. Affidavits sworn to or affirmed by third parties havingpersonal knowledge of the bona fides of the maritalrelationship (Each affidavit must contain the full nameand address, date and place of birth of the person makingthe affidavit, his or her relationship to the petitioner ofbeneficiary, if any, and complete information and detailsexplaining how the person acquired his or herknowledge of your marriage); or

6. Any other relevant documentation to establish that thereis an ongoing marital union.

We plan to file immediately after marry, items 1 through 6 is not possible. what did others send in?

thank you

Read carefully and interpret literally. You'll note a sentence with the wording "In addition to the required documents listed above...should include one or more of the following..."

Often this is misinterpreted as a requirement for all I-130 filings but for newlyweds who have never lived in the same country we haven't seen a single RFE for simply ignoring all of the 1-6 items listed above. If you want to include a few pictures or some copies of emails, go for it. Otherwise, don't sweat this stuff and definitely don't go getting sworn statements from people who came to a ceremony or a party. Unless they were in the next hotel room hearing the headboard banging, your marriage certificate covers that.

See this thread.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...c=77987&hl=

This section does apply to DCF filers, those filing I-130s in support of AOS applications from inside the US and anybody else who is actually claiming to have lived together.

Newlyweds show evidence of bona fides in interviews.

pushbrk - hate to argue with you, but where on the I-130 instructions does it say:

"Newlyweds show evidence of bona fides in interviews."

these are your assumptions that apparently u have gathered running a poll on a seperate thread. these are assumptions not a fact!!

They are facts evidenced by the real life experience of newlyweds filing I-130s and having them approved without any marriage related evidence besides a marriage certificate and those same individuals being asked to show evidence of bona fides (if at all) at visa interviews and AOS interviews. CR1 and IR1 only have visa interviews.

Further, we've had two and only two reports of RFE's for failing to provide the "should include one or more..." evidence and both were DCF cases in London.

What many forget is that the I-130 is used far more in DCF and AOS from inside the USA with no visa than for actual visa cases for newlyweds. While it's true, the instructions note no exceptions for newlyweds, in practice, that is exactly what we see.

Who is "we"? Do you just mean, as in the info gathered here? Or do you work in the immigration field somehow? Im just curious.. I have seen you use "we" alot.

I'm referring to what we see reported here and what I see reported elsewhere. I've been a highly motivated observer for three years and this fairly recent developement is one I've been keenly monitoring since the new form came into use.

Do you have some contradictory evidence to add to the discussion or are you just sceptical?

[Dakine 26]

"we've had two and only two reports of RFE's "

Yeah pushbrk you are not a we!!! No single person can possibly be that accurate on what's been posted here unless you spend 24/7 here.

Bottomline is USCIS seems to be slack on the peeps meeting the I-130 requirements but still people should submit all the evidence of a bonafide marriage they can come up with.

VERY easy for people to buy life insurance policies or make a will. Also open a joint ITF bank account!

[pushbrk 12,824]

"we've had two and only two reports of RFE's "

Yeah pushbrk you are not a we!!! No single person can possibly be that accurate on what's been posted here unless you spend 24/7 here.

Bottomline is USCIS seems to be slack on the peeps meeting the I-130 requirements but still people should submit all the evidence of a bonafide marriage they can come up with.

VERY easy for people to buy life insurance policies or make a will. Also open a joint ITF bank account!

If you can find a post contradicting my assertions, post the link. I'm here enough to have seen any such posts. They would have been BIG news and long threads.

[cmnb 0]

"we've had two and only two reports of RFE's "

Yeah pushbrk you are not a we!!! No single person can possibly be that accurate on what's been posted here unless you spend 24/7 here.

Bottomline is USCIS seems to be slack on the peeps meeting the I-130 requirements but still people should submit all the evidence of a bonafide marriage they can come up with.

VERY easy for people to buy life insurance policies or make a will. Also open a joint ITF bank account!

If you can find a post contradicting my assertions, post the link. I'm here enough to have seen any such posts. They would have been BIG news and long threads.

i would still encourage people to submit items that USCIS asks for...they may sound meaningless but just because "we" gathered/researched forums on this website cannot cross out the fact that these documents are specifically asked for in the instructions.

"we've had two and only two reports of RFE's "

Yeah pushbrk you are not a we!!! No single person can possibly be that accurate on what's been posted here unless you spend 24/7 here.

Bottomline is USCIS seems to be slack on the peeps meeting the I-130 requirements but still people should submit all the evidence of a bonafide marriage they can come up with.

VERY easy for people to buy life insurance policies or make a will. Also open a joint ITF bank account!

If you can find a post contradicting my assertions, post the link. I'm here enough to have seen any such posts. They would have been BIG news and long threads.

i would still encourage people to submit items that USCIS asks for...they may sound meaningless but just because "we" gathered/researched forums on this website cannot cross out the fact that these documents are specifically asked for in the instructions.

[pushbrk 12,824]

You're as entitled to express your opinion as anyone is. No harm in enclosing a little bona fide evidence if you have it. Taking weeks or months to contrive some meaningless affidavits costs weeks or months of waiting time.

Edited September 11, 2008 by pushbrk

[Y's_habibitk 2]

Hi everyone

as part of the packet for filing a K-3 we are to provide the following

Evidence of a Bonifide Marriage

The USCIS now requires that when filing an I-130 for a spouse that you include evidence of a bonifide marriage. They list examples of acceptable evidence as:

1. Documentation showing joint ownership or property; or

2. A lease showing joint tenancy of a common residence; or

3. Documentation showing co-mingling of financialresources; or

4. Birth certificate(s) of child(ren) born to you, thepetitioner, and your spouse together; or

5. Affidavits sworn to or affirmed by third parties havingpersonal knowledge of the bona fides of the maritalrelationship (Each affidavit must contain the full nameand address, date and place of birth of the person makingthe affidavit, his or her relationship to the petitioner ofbeneficiary, if any, and complete information and detailsexplaining how the person acquired his or herknowledge of your marriage); or

6. Any other relevant documentation to establish that thereis an ongoing marital union.

We plan to file immediately after marry, items 1 through 6 is not possible. what did others send in?

thank you

Read carefully and interpret literally. You'll note a sentence with the wording "In addition to the required documents listed above...should include one or more of the following..."

Often this is misinterpreted as a requirement for all I-130 filings but for newlyweds who have never lived in the same country we haven't seen a single RFE for simply ignoring all of the 1-6 items listed above. If you want to include a few pictures or some copies of emails, go for it. Otherwise, don't sweat this stuff and definitely don't go getting sworn statements from people who came to a ceremony or a party. Unless they were in the next hotel room hearing the headboard banging, your marriage certificate covers that.

See this thread.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...c=77987&hl=

This section does apply to DCF filers, those filing I-130s in support of AOS applications from inside the US and anybody else who is actually claiming to have lived together.

Newlyweds show evidence of bona fides in interviews.

pushbrk - hate to argue with you, but where on the I-130 instructions does it say:

"Newlyweds show evidence of bona fides in interviews."

these are your assumptions that apparently u have gathered running a poll on a seperate thread. these are assumptions not a fact!!

They are facts evidenced by the real life experience of newlyweds filing I-130s and having them approved without any marriage related evidence besides a marriage certificate and those same individuals being asked to show evidence of bona fides (if at all) at visa interviews and AOS interviews. CR1 and IR1 only have visa interviews.

Further, we've had two and only two reports of RFE's for failing to provide the "should include one or more..." evidence and both were DCF cases in London.

What many forget is that the I-130 is used far more in DCF and AOS from inside the USA with no visa than for actual visa cases for newlyweds. While it's true, the instructions note no exceptions for newlyweds, in practice, that is exactly what we see.

Who is "we"? Do you just mean, as in the info gathered here? Or do you work in the immigration field somehow? Im just curious.. I have seen you use "we" alot.

I'm referring to what we see reported here and what I see reported elsewhere. I've been a highly motivated observer for three years and this fairly recent developement is one I've been keenly monitoring since the new form came into use.

Do you have some contradictory evidence to add to the discussion or are you just sceptical?

No Im not skeptical and I wasnt tying to argue with you. I was sincerely curious